Solid State Orbo System

[exnihiloest]

That's about the same as saying, show me the effects of gravity without mass, lol (we can't show you the effects of acceleration from gravity without having a large mass to cause a curvature in space-time).

The question was: "please give us references about macroscopic effects of the potential vector without B/E fields".
The question was asked because you pretend the force onto the magnet is due to the potential vector instead of a magnetic field!

You have all what you need to reply. You have a pulsed coil and a permanent magnet which a force is acting on. There are objects and facts.

If you cannot relate the force on the magnet to the potential vector in the particular case or Orbo system, then it is useless to repeat courses banalities about the "potential vector" like a parrot. I know them, I already took these courses at the university.

No need of erroneous fantaisies and fabrications: the obvious explanation is that there is a magnetic field acting on the permanent magnet.

[void109]

No need of erroneous fantaisies and fabrications: the obvious explanation is that there is a magnetic field acting on the permanent magnet.

I'm confused, I thought the leading conjecture that most in this and the other orbo thread agree on, is that pulsing the cores modifies the attractiveness that the permanent magnet experiences toward it.  A phrase I've seen thrown around alot is that "the toroid becomes invisible to the magnet".  While it seems that isnt the case, invisible, it seems obvious that the attraction is lessened.

If the attractiveness the magnet experiences toward the toroid is oscillating - it seems obvious that it would vibrate (however slightly).  It seems that you are disagreeing with this hypothesis that's been thrown around for months.  In this case, I suppose you could said the toroids magnetic field was acting on the magnet, but in a completely indirect manner, right?

I'm always reticent about posting, since I'm still learning much.

[void109]

I have two questions I hope someone can help me answer.

I've been reading about toroid coils, and designing them to meeting particular needs.  I have equations I can use so that I can create enough flux to approach or meet the saturation point of my toroid (I believe mine is 500mT).  Ok maybe two questions:

  1) It IS the case that I want to meet, but not exceed the saturation point right?  As this would be wasted flux since the return would taper off dramatically.

  2) As far as the toroid design, with what is being done with these projects (orbo-type), we really want as many windings as possible, because more windings would result in more inductance, thus requiring less current to reach saturation.  Is that correct?

I have some 2" and 2.5" cores I want to wind, I just want to make sure I have the right idea before I do, looks like it will take a considerable amount of winding

[gravityblock]

The question was: "please give us references about macroscopic effects of the potential vector without B/E fields".
The question was asked because you pretend the force onto the magnet is due to the potential vector instead of a magnetic field!

You have all what you need to reply. You have a pulsed coil and a permanent magnet which a force is acting on. There are objects and facts.

If you cannot relate the force on the magnet to the potential vector in the particular case or Orbo system, then it is useless to repeat courses banalities about the "potential vector" like a parrot. I know them, I already took these courses at the university.

No need of erroneous fantaisies and fabrications: the obvious explanation is that there is a magnetic field acting on the permanent magnet.

I have said the magnets were vibrating either due to them being attracted/non-attracted to the core from pulsing the coil as Lumen and Void has been saying also, or due to the flux not being fully engaged inside the core during the time the field is being built, and I provided references to the flux threading models. 

My point is, you can't say the magnets are vibrating in your experiment due to a leakage flux from the toroid being saturated until you rule out the other possibilities.  You have also agreed the toroid has a vector potential, so you must rule this out also as wings and I have mentioned.  Once you rule out these other possibilities, then let me know.  Until then, the magnets vibrating in your experiment doesn't prove it's from the leakage flux from the toroid being saturated. 

Likewise, your probe coil experiment doesn't prove there is substantial flux leakage from saturation until you can prove it's not due to the flux only being partially engaged inside the toroid while the field is being built or from over-saturating the toroid.  I am through with having a discussion with you.  It's very obvious you and I, along with others here, are not going to change their opinions about your experiment, so there is no reason in continuing this discussion.  To do otherwise would be insanity (it's already beyond insanity, lol, and I don't want to continue it or be a part of it anymore).

GB
   

[Magluvin]

Well if you put another  non magnetized item near the core while its pulsing, the item would vibrate if the core is leaking what the tcoil is producing.
Vibrating a magnet near the pulsed tcore will happen whether the tcoil flux is leaking or not, due to the tcore pulse changes affecting the near field of the magnet that engages with the tcore.

mags