Magnet motor in Argentina

[orionjf]

In a first analysis, I?ve to agree with Gonzo in some details. I try to explain ...
Repulsion forces, every time, can be splitted in two components: one in the radius direction (to the center) that is compensated by the magnet radius material, and another one tangent (the "goal" or "net" force). The net force is Frep*sin(alpha), alpha (function of time) is the angle between the final repulsion force (or total vectorial sum repulsi?n force between each stator and the rotor magnet). It is very clear that Frep*sin(alpha) is EVER less (or equal) than Frep.
Consider the initial state. All forces components by M3, M2 and M1 are axial (sin(alpha)=0) and the only net componet is due to M16 (and M15 ....) with sin(alpha) greater when the magnet is more remote but at the same time less modulus force, or greater modulus force (M16) with sin(alpha) close to 0 (it?s very clear that the main force component is axial in the nearest -M16- magnet). Whe rotor starts to move, a net tangent force due to M1 appears (a little force because sin is close to 0) and force due to M16 begin to come down down in modulus (due to the distant) but increment by sin (we have to complete the exact calculus). In any case, I see Frep as the maximum force at any time (or I lost something).
Then, the forces involved in changes (stator lift and down). I see "easy" to lift if all magnets are with the same pole position (even, the system gives energy to you) but for pushing (down) the magnet you need TWO Frep*cos(alpha) from alpha 45 or greater to alpha=0 (exactly in the circle). That means in the final time, to push magnet, you need 2*Frep. If you have a mechanism for pushing the magnet, you have the same problem for lifting in this case.
There is another way to see it. Using energies ... In the initial state, there are another state with less energy and rotor moves to it. The energy difference must be used for two things: to move the rotor and to create another state with less energy that allows the rotor another movement (in other words, recover the initial status energy). Then the rotor HAS to gain another kind of energy for that not only cinetic, but, for instant, potential (or whatever you want). (I?ve built a similar machine several years ago using gravitatory and magnetic energies, as a pendulus forced, transforming one in the other in a cycle). It seems a perpetual machine, and works, but if you extract a very little portion of energy, the system fall down. Then, the problem is not to create a state with positive energy transition (initial state to the next). The problem is to recover it (opposite cycle). I?m sure magnets HAS TO do it, but how? My best wishes to who find it, maybe this device if I wrong (that is possible, of course).
Regards

[hartiberlin]

So if M4 = M5 the repulsion forces they produce are equals as well aren't they?

So if both forces are equal witch force will make it move?

Start condition is always, that? one magnet at least is always out of the ring,
otherwise it will not work.
Here is the sequence:
So M4 is down and as the rotor moves to it,
M5 goes down and M4 goes up and closes the ring again.
Then the rotor will move forward to position?M5 and M6 will go down and
M5 will go up and close the ring again.

So at least one outer magnet is always down and sometimes in the
transition of the rotor both stator magnets which are next to each other
are half down.

[hartiberlin]

@orionjf
maybe you can draw up your force diagram and can post it here
as an attachment ? Otherwise your argumentation is hard to understand.
Many thanks.

[orionjf]

@orionjf
maybe you can draw up your force diagram and can post it here
as an attachment ? Otherwise your argumentation is hard to understand.
Many thanks.

Ok, I?ll try to draw it this night.

[Omnibus]

Yes, I agree that it would be of great interest if the device would spin continuously.  But I was looking farther down the road to see if it could be made into something really useful to generate power.  It is very doubtful that this device could do that on a useful level.  But perhaps the knowledge of this device will lead to something that will perform better in the future?

You?ve put it very mildly. If the device spins continuously on its own, without energy input from the outside, it will be a revolution in science of unknown proportions. Revolutions ins science, not to speak about revolutions of such proportions, would cause such profound changes in society which go well beyond anybody?s imagination.