Magnet motor in Argentina

[hartiberlin]

Omnibus,
the gravity force is much too small in the motor to pull
the magnets down again ! As here are real big forces at play
you also need pretty powerful srprings to pull the magnets down
again, as these are strong Neodym magnets...

[Omnibus]

OK, that makes sense to me. Especially because this makes the motor independent of gravity. But still I wanna know the mechanism of synchronization of lifting the magnets. It'd be nice if we could find some blueprints of the motor. As far as I understand Torbay claims to be pretty open about it and wants to disseminate it widely.

By the way, did you find out how was that person you cited able to see the motor and even disassemble it? Did he go to Argentina or what? And, what happened to the video, no one has it, is that what it is?

[sbassi]

Hello,

Just to tell that we have published a new article about this scam. Please read the new ASALUP article.
Full patent text will be available at 10th of April, that is a 2 week delay brought you by Argentina Patent Office (they still live in the stone age!).

Best regards,
SB.

[Omnibus]

I looked at the text in the link you gave: http://www.asalup.org/content/view/156/27/ and with the combined efforts of Google Language Tools and BabelFish was able to understand somewhat the main idea there.

It really boggles the mind how people claiming to have devoted themselves to defending science could be so non-scientific.

The most important criticism which should be directed at their text concerns the fact that they have not actually seen the device. They criticize something which they have not even seen. And criticize it heavily. This is like someone who criticizes a book without even having read it. There were things like that happening in some countries but then the systems there collapsed very badly and now hardly anyone in these countries is proud of these practices.

The lack of knowledge of the device is obfuscated in a lot of historical detail and useless talk which may be amusing for some but serves no purpose to justify the denouncing of Torbay?s device. An invention cannot be denounced because there had been other inventions that were unworkable or fraudulent. This is a bizarre approach to criticism which has nothing to do with science.

Blatantly misunderstood is also the essence of the principles of thermodynamics. What rules is the experiment. Demonstrate an experiment yielding reproducible results and whatever laws there are have to be checked against this experiment. The experiment has the priority, not the principles of thermodynamics. It might have happened (as it has) that in almost every experiment these principles have been obeyed and yet one experiment, at, say, some special conditions, is needed to put the general validity of these principles into question. Yes, it may sound strange to the writers of the text in the site, but the principles of thermodynamics are prone to questioning if a viable experiment appears which is not in harmony with them.

Therefore, this continuous nagging on the side of the authors of the text to have the laws of thermodynamics obeyed is just sheer misunderstanding of how things work in science. It?s the opposite of how they understand it.

This text contributes nothing to understanding Torbay?s motor and can easily be ignored by anyone who is serious about finding out the truth behind that motor.

[hartiberlin]

Mr. Bassi,
you have not seen yet the motor and just title it as a scam.
That is very unscientific !
We have an eye witness over here, Mr. TheHyperT from gnn.tv
and he and his friends  have seen it running and have investigating it.