Fibonacci, platonic solids and Vortex coils

[jadon1979]

One thing I would like to see is all of these different coils sitting in over a ferrous liquid like toner+synthetic motor oil.  I plan on dipping a rodin coil in the same silicon you dip the grips of your tool in to make handles and then setting up a few test with this.  Maybe build a lexan box - have the rodin a few mm above the material... try channel 1 > 2 > both > join 1 & 2 as a single channel and try that.  Take it to the next level and have a neosphere on rods above the coil... test that.... place another coil above the neosphere .. try that...

Curious if the material will climb the rodin.... go up to the sphere... and then up to the other rodin.... I've got a vision of the infinity symbol slowly forming with this if done right.

[resonanceman]

MK

Just finished reading  this  thread
Geat  work on your coils
Can't wait to see how you  end up driving them



I have   been working on a  project for a while now .
My chosen  starting point is  using a  JT strong enough  to light a CFL
In other words I want to start  with a Jeanna light.
I can  get it done in several ways
USing  a MOT  as a JT .......  my candy cane  coils....... or I could break down and  buy  a large  toroid.
There  are problems  with all these ways to build  a Jeana light .

Based  on  your  experience so far ...... is it possable to make a Jeanna light  with your new kind of coil?


What inner diameter would you start with?

I am guessing the  heavy staight wraps would be  the primarys.......any guess on whow many wraps  would be needed for each primary leg?

Any idea about how many 45 degree wraps  it might take?

I will be  using  your  nails in the tube method for  holding everything  together   during wrapping.

I know   that  this is still mostly  uncharted territory.,.  I am just asking for a few guesses.

My  guesses are   3 to 4 windings for base primary leg about twice that for emitter  primary leg.
5  or 6 inches in diameter.
I do not have a clue  about  how far to space the wires apart...........or  how  tall to make the coil  .......I am thinking  of  maybe 5 wraps per lap ........ maybe  4 or 5 laps


thanks    for any help you chose to provide


gary

[Mk1]

@Resonanceman

Hi , thanks for the positive comments , so far i have tried many things with it .

But its a bit more for the inductive loads , the coupling is excellent between the coil , you can pretty much any 2 coils for the jt , the radiant shows it self with the dual jt circuit , i how ever don't think its high voltage (that will need to be tested) .

As far as the angle i have to try other , i discovered 22.5 should be the optimum i will test as soon as time permits .

the early prototypes show that the secondary no diodes sorta acted like dc , the later models on a tube gave a more standard jt ac output .

Now on the dual jt i connected the bridge between the emitter of each transistor , it gave me around 120 v i should try the unmoded cfl , the video showing a .047farad 5v cap was with only one emitter to the bridge , with both the cap over charged too fast to safely do it , yes that fast .

I wounder if my coils with high voltage what would happen , also what i was planing on doing was a switch at 80v neon bulb and triac , so cap the 120v when it gets to 80v lights the neon triggers the triac sparking the cap trough one of the unused coils , i think i can drive 2 triggers pretty fast at 80 v the changing the capacitor will change the freq . 


I will thinking of making a water filed donut (diamagnetic ) with some ferro fluids in it , water seems ridiculous at first but the oil in the ferro magnetic fluid will not mix with the water plus once the iron is turns into a magnet the water diamagnetisim will be activated further helping the ferro fluids , i think it will be really close to super fluidity at room temp .


Anyway i hope this helps ...

I know i did not really answer your questions but , the rules are about the same as a regular jt , the freq really flexible for a air core , or copper core , what ever it is , i made a 3 layer pickup coil fro the fat wire and got 150 volts or something but the amps where not there ...


Lets your imagination work it out , god manifest it self in problem solving .


Mark   

[resonanceman]

@Resonanceman

Hi , thanks for the positive comments , so far i have tried many things with it .

But its a bit more for the inductive loads , the coupling is excellent between the coil , you can pretty much any 2 coils for the jt , the radiant shows it self with the dual jt circuit , i how ever don't think its high voltage (that will need to be tested) .

As far as the angle i have to try other , i discovered 22.5 should be the optimum i will test as soon as time permits .

the early prototypes show that the secondary no diodes sorta acted like dc , the later models on a tube gave a more standard jt ac output .

Now on the dual jt i connected the bridge between the emitter of each transistor , it gave me around 120 v i should try the unmoded cfl , the video showing a .047farad 5v cap was with only one emitter to the bridge , with both the cap over charged too fast to safely do it , yes that fast .

I wounder if my coils with high voltage what would happen , also what i was planing on doing was a switch at 80v neon bulb and triac , so cap the 120v when it gets to 80v lights the neon triggers the triac sparking the cap trough one of the unused coils , i think i can drive 2 triggers pretty fast at 80 v the changing the capacitor will change the freq . 


I will thinking of making a water filed donut (diamagnetic ) with some ferro fluids in it , water seems ridiculous at first but the oil in the ferro magnetic fluid will not mix with the water plus once the iron is turns into a magnet the water diamagnetisim will be activated further helping the ferro fluids , i think it will be really close to super fluidity at room temp .


Anyway i hope this helps ...

I know i did not really answer your questions but , the rules are about the same as a regular jt , the freq really flexible for a air core , or copper core , what ever it is , i made a 3 layer pickup coil fro the fat wire and got 150 volts or something but the amps where not there ...


Lets your imagination work it out , god manifest it self in problem solving .


Mark

Mark

Having  enough power to be used for an inductive load is a good thing...
In my opinion  it a few years to soon to say that this kind of coil is  only good for inductive loads........  I say this based on my own  experience.
With my candy cane coils 250V was easy...... 350V  took  a month or so.......getting over 450V with enough  power  to light a CFL took somewhere around 2 years
I suspect that at least  some of what I learned  in those 2 years  will apply directly to increasing the  maximum   voltage  avalable  from these coils.

This kind of project fits me very well.
...
One of my  big priorities is finding other practical ways  to build  large coils without having to buy large  hard to find  toroids.
JTs can't get much bigger   unless we find  good alternatives the  big toroids..
This  is the  best alternative I have seen  ........ all that is needed is knowledge and  wire..........    That is perfect





gary

[DonEMitchell]

@MK1

2nd post here as a clueless newbie...

Mark!  Thanks for the Fibonacci, Platonics, and Vortex coils theme!

Please consider my familiarity in this theme as an offer of mind-pool excitement:

Here are several POVRay illustrations of various degrees of torus knots...
http://psientific.org/products/torus_knot_bifilar/

The link above shows the equal-distance paths around various torus knots in red and blue.  This path is the basis of the Moebius Resistor patent.

If one puts a 1/2 twist on a strip and joins the ends, a 1/2 twist Moebius loop is formed.  Any odd-half-integer twist (1/2, 3/2, 5/2, etc.) forms a Moebius loop of various mathematically curious features... beyond my narrow focus as bifilar coils and attempts to find the 'theoretically perfect form' (or close facsimile) to invoke scalar torsion effect in balance and control. 

While the twisted strip forms one Moebius loop, there is also only one edge, a Moebius edge.  The Moebius edge is exactly a torus knot.  A half-twist Moebius edge is a (2,1) torus knot.

Notice the (5.6 megabyte) animation of a cutaway of a (4,3) torus knot of three-separate coils phased 120 degrees apart...
http://psientific.org/products/torus_knot_bifilar/moebius_edge_4-3_anim_512x384.gif

The image is half of a whole that is redrawn exactly the same for each animation frame, except it is rotated on the axis of the torus center.  This shows an illusion of the rotation that could be had if the 3-phase coils are stepped in phase.

In the animation linked above, and it's static 32 KB version...
http://psientific.org/products/torus_knot_bifilar/moebius_edge_4-3_bifilar_cutaway_512x384.jpg

One can see one coil-phase as red/blue halves in the cross-section (the white and gray loops are phase 2 and 3). 

The red loops balance the magnetic field of the blue loops to null.  A bifilar cancellation of the magnetic field exists in every odd numbered 1/2 integer twist of every Moebius edge form, and in the (4,3) knot it is a quadrature cross-section pattern.  This pattern rotates whatever effect is caused upon the core when the 3 separate coils are stepped by a 3-phase power supply.

The overall rotation of the cancellation pattern is like the motion of smoke within a smoke ring... Nature's perfect balance for 3D dynamics.

I would be so VERY interested in feedback.  I'm especially interested in investigations toward control of the green glow, and there is room at the inn!

There has been recent momentum in a start-up investor-fortified proof-of-concept, and everyone from investors through journalists are invited to be inside or close outside the investigation.

Please note:  this topic seems to have no bottom!  So many simultaneous solutions seem to lay in the geometry of an entangled toroidal poly-phased helix.  So PLEASE approach this research with due caution! In the least expect to loose a lot of equipment not properly isolated due to surprise spikes... also, distance between yourself and this device at resonance with the matter lattice of the core is STRONGLY ADVISED to avoid forming cataracts on your eyes, or worse.  Cognitive effects could be everlasting.  A Faraday cage might keep neighbors happier also avoiding ACCIDENTAL ELECTROCUTION FROM UN-ANTICIPATED INSTANT SUCCESS, but nothing will shield SCALAR EFFECTS from black unmarked helicopters if you're near a shadow government location, or nuclear sub base, etc.


Warm regards,
Don in AZ