GBluer(Slayer) Exiter

[conradelektro]

Hi Conrad,
I have to say I really don't understand your post.  Do you really think it is ok for someone to steal an idea from some else and claim it as their own?  And do you really think it is ok for them to try and make a profit off someone else's efforts?  We have had at least 2 other people on the Energetic Forum that have had their ideas ripped off by lowlifes that are too lazy to do their own work.  I know in this world the way it is now this kind of thing is getting more and more common but that does not make it right.
Respectfully,
Carroll

@Slayer
I can understand your concern and it is a terrible thing that someone may profit from a variation of your design which is in fact a simple variation of stifflers circuits which was a variation of someone else's work with a HV Joule theif which was simply a blocking oscillator prior to that. Are you saying it is alright for you to profit from "borrowing" someone's idea and building on it but not them?.
AC

Since mankind started to "invent" something (may be since 200.000 years), people are stealing ideas from each other. To call it "stealing" implies a certain philosophy, namely the idea that "making a profit" is the goal of doing something. But there are a great many goals more worthy than "making a profit".

I like the idea that people make progress by learning from each other. Therefore it is important for me that people show what they have developed or discovered so that other people can use it and develop it even further. So, what many call "stealing" is in fact "learning". And it just depends on philosophy or worldview (Weltbild).

It is a very recent development that "learning from each other" has become "stealing from each other". It came with capitalism and did not really exist a few hundred years ago. Only since humankind has begun to see everything in terms of "making money".

The "intellectual property" idea was formalised in law at the end of the 19th century because of the industrial revolution. "Intellectual property" only serves capital. The lone inventor who becomes rich is a dream that very rarely becomes true. But big and rich companies benefit from "intellectual property" (in short from "patents") routinely every day.

The only thing I want to say: to protect ideas only makes sense in a capitalistic society and it only makes sense for the financially powerful. If you want that, well, cry because someone "steals your ideas". It will not help you, unless you have a lot of capital.

I want to share ideas and I want to learn from the ideas of others like I allow others to learn from my ideas (however small they are). It is a confrontation of worldviews, "capitalism" against "sharing", take your pick. But first look at your financial assets, that should help you to decide. Do not be such a sorry sight of having (almost) nothing and talking like a capitalist.

I understand that a rich individual defends "intellectual property", it makes sense, because having money is equivalent to being powerful. But I do not understand that a "non rich person" defends capitalism, she or he must have lost her or his sense of reality.

Greetings, Conrad

[Magnethos]

Slayer, think for example about the Keppe Motor. All we can say that it's a copy of a newman motor. Is unethical? I don't know, but to be sure, a lot of people has met the "Newman" motor thanks to keppe. It's just only different points of views.

[NickZ]

  I remember just a few years ago we were trying to replicate something called a Joule Thief.  Now some of the garden lights use that same technology to light several leds off of just a single AA battery. As well as the Christmas lights, lighting many leds off of just a battery or two.  And they sell them for less than it would cost to buy the individual parts. 
The Chinese are very crafty people, and will apply any worthwhile gadget to their benefit. Who can stop that??? 
  I feel that we should stay with the "Open Source" idea, and not let money get in the way.
Those that have money to invest in a product, will do so. Those that don't won't. But, as a whole, we have all won.
All these worthwhile ideas will end up a gadget, at some point. But, not all countries agree on the patent rights, either. So, what's to keep someone especially in other countries from replicating and selling your ideas?  Just saying so?
The original Kacher device, Dr. Stifflers SEC projects, Joule Thief circuits, Tesla ideas, etz... which came first?
But, There is still no actual free energy device on the market, or is there???
I mean other than solar, hydro, or wind products. Which are in no way free, as they cost quite a bit, including their battery banks.

[slayer007]

''Are you saying it is alright for you to profit from "borrowing" someone's idea and building on it but not them?. ''

Slayer hasn't made any financial profit from this device.  Tesla Tronix has.  I think Slayer is angry because this guy is calling what he is selling 'a slayer exciter', and so he is basically selling Slayers hard work. I think Tesla Tronix is acting in a highly unethical way.[/size]

Flathunter's right I see him as just using the slayer exciter and my work to scam people. $15 for diagrams that are online for free, $325 for an exciter that should cost under $20 to make.

[conradelektro]

Flathunter's right I see him as just using the slayer exciter and my work to scam people. $15 for diagrams that are online for free, $325 for an exciter that should cost under $20 to make.

@Slayer: So, you show the good schematics for free on the Internet. And you show for free what the components really cost and where to get them. Further you show for free how to build the thing.

In principle you already have done that (by publishing your videos on YouTube). A new video or small web site pulling everything together in a comprehensible and concise way would be the ultimate revenge.

Then you have effectively counteracted the scam. If people still want to buy from a scammer, so be it. You could offer a kit for $25.-, but I think that this would only be a burden and will not give you a profit.

Greetings, Conrad