Mehess Motor

[billmehess]

I will post a web site by tomorrow morning and let the chips fall where they may. In the mean time KMA.

[Humbugger]

KYA?  I assume you are suggesting homosexual anal osculation...Uhmmm...no thank you.  I don't roll that way.  Sorry you are taking reality so hard.  It's really better to learn and laugh.  Believe me, being self-taught and having worked directly with several rather world-famous inventors, I have learned plenty while being the brunt of my own jokes.  You have to lighten up, Bill.

Regarding posting your own websites and chips falling...well...the chips have fallen long ago.  It's picking them up and doing something useful with them that counts!  By the way...try to pick up the fewest chips and, putting them together in the simplest way, accomplish the maximum benefit.  That's the game.  I fail to see what benefit posting more Rube Goldburg stuff on another site will have but carry on, dear sir.  Do what you do with confidence and vigor.  It's good exercise even if it's bad science!

[Humbugger]

Bill...

If you had a friend, a good friend, who was jazzed about building an alcohol fuel rendering plant on his farm and he laid out the following plan to you, asking you what you thought about helping him, what would you say to him?

The plan to get free electricity...there is a large pond of water and a big cliff rising above it where the farm is.  He owns it all.  His idea is to use an electric motorized pump to pump water through a four inch pipe up the cliff and then pour it over a waterfall with a paddlewheel which would drive a generator and a mechanical pump used in the process of distilling and refining the alcohol.  The generator would be a little bigger in electrical rating than the 4 inch water pump motor at the water pond, so he figures the generator will run the water pump for free and then some. 

He's excited that he's finally solved his problematic electric bill for running the process pump (now run for free directly off the waterwheel) which used to ruin the overall profit margin on his distilling operation.  He wants you to help him pick out the most efficient and correctly-rated generator and pump motor and design for the waterwheel and any gearing required.

What do you do?  Well, twenty five years ago, this actually happened to me.  Boy was he hard to convince.  It was really tough, because he had been working on his alcohol production facility for a long time and had a lot of money invested and tons of work before he sadly discovered that the electric bill to run the thing cost more than he was getting for the alcohol even though he got the corn, process water and stale bread base ingredients free.

He then spent a ton of time talking with his beer-buddies who encouraged him in his idea for the waterfall even to the extent of doing a lot of excavating and laying the pipe and pouring some concrete footings and a spillway and laying out a huge plastic tarp to prevent leakage into the soil, etc.  This enormous project was done on the sadly mistaken belief that the power taken from a generator was simply determined by the rating and size (BIGGER MAGNETS).  All his drinkin' buddies encouraged him, helped him do the work and egged him on.

He never asked anyone who understood these subtle things about torque and reflected mechanical load depending on electrical load (and vice versa for the motor) and conservation of energy principles and practical hard-reality matters like inevitable systemic losses.  Nope...it was all in how the motor and generator were rated and the shape and configuration of the waterwheel, as far as he and his buddies figured.  Of course, those minor details were left for the very end of this four year $250,000 project.  That's when he called me. 

Did he really have to build it to find out how it would work?  Was he justified in cursing me out and actually slugging me in the chops when I told him it wasn't going to work?  Was it worth losing a friendship over?  Had his pals who encouraged and helped him really done him a favor?  Was he right to think that even if it wasn't 100% or better efficient, that it would still be helpful and reduce his overall electric bill?  Would it have been practical if he just put a hand crank on it to help out and make up for any small losses?

NO NO NO NO NO NO and NO.  Think a lot and build a little.  That's the lesson here.  Ask some people who have built things before that worked and sold lots of copies.  Run your ideas in front of people who might laugh at them; not just your cronies and drinkin' pals who are happy to help but know no more than you do.  Getting ten more guys to agree that an idea might work doesn't increase the workability of the idea!  Be pragmatic and practical.  Know the rules before you play the game.  This is a 100% true story.

The whole fiasco ended up costing him his farm, his marriage, about $259,000 cash and a huge amount of blood sweat and tears.  He wouldn't speak to me for over a year.  Talk about killing the messenger! 

And it all started out as a fun hobby project.  Larry is still divorced, runs a small limosine service and sings country western semi-professionally.  He gave up on the alcohol plan.  We're friends again, but sometimes I think he still resents me just a wee bit and suspects that if he had just spent another six months and another $25,000 he might be filthy rich now and still have his farm. 

I remember that just before he slugged me he yelled "Kiss My Ass".

[acp]

Humbugger, these are some of the best posts I've ever read on this forum.

[Humbugger]

Thank you.  I fear I may have hurt poor Bill's feelings.  I've spent the last year or so reading everything on the web regarding free energy.  As a retired equipment designer who has had to deal with actual practical reality all my working life and who learned almost everything the hard way, most of everything I've been reading disgusts me.  The blind leading the blind...the self-made gurus of long drawn out empty promises...the total lack of clear disclosure in most cases and the naive willingness and eager enthusiasm of the anxious replicators.  Sometimes it's all too much for me.

I've never posted single word before today.  I guess it all came out and I'm afraid old Bill was the unlucky recipient of my version of the hard truth.  Lest you all out there think I'm just a negative trolling asshole, I should say that, well...maybe I am.  I'm not "a believer", that's for sure.  Maybe Bill was too easy a "victim" being that he does pretty much say exactly what he's doing, unlike most of the "mystery gurus". 

My scathing critique was truly intended to help him and others see that stacking levers and pendulums and coils and magnets higher and higher in evermore complicated schemes and then talking at great length about them without really stating any particular goals or even using correct technical language to describe the energy flow is probably not bringing anyone any closer to "free energy" or any kind of technological learning or advancement.  He's confused, I fear, about Power, Time and Energy, in general.

It seems like Bill also goes rapidly back and forth between claiming free energy ["I can produce enough flow to in 31 days rewind the movement as well a plenty left over to light a bulb."] and disclaiming OU ["First I am not claiming ou as I stated."].

I just wanted to make sure he understands the relationship between Power, Time and Energy.  They are not terms that can be loosely interchanged or discussed usefully without adhering to their actual meanings.  When I read that he had enough output energy but just not for a long enough time, I knew he was not understanding Energy and Power and Time the same way I have learned to understrand them.

Now he's seeming bitter and angry determined to prove me wrong by posting a video.  Well, I'm not sure that he has yet stated what it is exactly he wants to prove and I'm rather certain, because of that, that he won't succeed in proving anything at least to me except maybe that he's taking his chase for energy guru status just a bit too seriously. 

Sorry, Bill.  I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.  Scientists, at least the best ones, and design engineers, especially, have a barrel of laughs at their own expense.  It's the best way to learn!  I've had a million crazy unworkable ideas. 

How good you are as a designer/inventor/creator/engineer/scientist often depends directly on how rapidly and effectively you can sort the wheat from the chaff among your own ideas so that you don't spend precious emperical time experimenting and building bad systems to find out they don't perform well. 

Not knowing what you are trying to achieve always slows the process of judging performance.  Often to a dead halt.