The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[Airbag]

Let's look at the info.

Drain cleaner is made to pass through water as a BLOB and get to the obstruction. So, in the PIPE or TUBE the DRAIN CLEANER will be in the bottom, not necessarily mixed.

I believe that the process to prepare the Sodium Hydroxide is this:

The NaOH concentration is pushed to the 100% dilution. To determine the 100% dilution point, the NaOH is added and stirred in a large glass container and allowed to sit for 12 hours and anything more than the 100% dilution/saturation will precipitate out of solution and re-crystallize in the bottom of the container. Don't use these re-crystals. Use everything else.

If I read this right, only NaOH is in the glass container. 12+ hours later the concentration is achieved.

If the pipe is 1 inch in diameter and 10" long, how much drain cleaner (NaOH) should be in there ? 1/3. 1/2 ?? and the rest water.

As I asked before A . Which coil goes on first, the second etc. ? B. Is coil A the only one powered ? That is, if we use the 4 different coils.

Can anyone post a schematic of the Power Source, PWM and Hookup that may work in this unit ?

We also know that if all goes well, this unit will produce a lot of energy producing Hydrogen. It was stated that all the water ( how much ? ) was consumed in 10 minutes.

So, how will we control the reaction ? One method is to vary the VOLTAGE, AMPS or FREQUENCY. Because these are relatively low numbers it may be difficult to have instant control. Why not do like the nuclear reactors do ? Rods In, Rods Out. Build the coils around a very thin non restrictive material and use a device to slide the TUBE containing the NaHO and WATER up and down into the coil. Production is controlled by the % exposure of the liquids to the magnetic field. Just a thought.

[oswaldonfire]

Airbag -

The 4 coils mentioned in Alaska's powerpoint are from the first (and old) version of the magnetolysis unit. We both have since built units with single coils (multi-layered) that work just as well.

Slapper - you are right. Drano is not 100% pure NaOH - I would suggest getting ahold of the real stuff. Please post the results of your Gauss meter measurements, that would be some interesting data.

StihlWoody -

That sounds like an excellent setup! The thin steel sleeve to enhance the hysteresis curve is brilliant.

Please let us know how it goes with running a 4-cylinder engine, I am very interested.

And pictures and videos are always welcome.

I do not claim to be the inventor of this technology. I never have and never will. You are correct, AlaskaStar published a powerpoint in 2006 that made this technology open-source...BEFORE John Kanzius even began dabbling in this stuff. Alaska performed magnetolysis first - all credit goes to him.

The powerpoint should indeed nullify the patent. Since Kanzius is dead, nobody is left to defend it.

Mark -

The NaOH does not get consumed. Well, rather, the Na+ does not get consumed. The OH- is consumed to produce a portion of the gasses, but it is continually replenished from the water supply. So the concentration effectively stays the same. I have not been able to run my setup for long enough to "run out of" NaOH. However, it is safe to assume that small amounts are released with the gasses, and that eventually some would have to be replaced in order to keep the concentrations up - unless it was a closed system.


Airbag has posted a good method of producing the 100% solution of NaOH (did you get that off the oupower thread? I seem to remember reading that before).

I use that method. You need to wait until the solution is CLEAR. If it is still opaque, then you have produced a colloid and all you can do is wait until all the excess particles of NaOH have settled to the bottom. In some cases, I have had to wait several days for this to happen. Then, you must carefully extract the clear solution while not disturbing the crystals. 

Just make sure that you are starting with 100% pure NaOH and that there are no other additives.

I also like your "control-rod" method of controlling production - it's an interesting take. Probably worth a try.

There is no separation between the NaOH and the water. Every drop of liquid in the pipe is of the NaOH solution.

Hope this helps.

Side note - has anyone made any progress on the chemistry of how this works?

AlaskaStar and I have created a presentation that provides every detail of how this process works - but before I release it I would like you guys to try and figure some of it out yourselves.

[StihlWoody]

Oswaldonfire:

So I am going to be posting pictures today (damned camera...), and still figuring out the video mode on this camera, because 1 minute makes a 300MB file, horrendously large to do anything useful with.

If I get the 4 cylinder car running on this...what is the next step you propose?

StihlWoody

[oswaldonfire]

I can help you out with video if you need, I'm really proficient with that sort of stuff.

If you find your file is too large and don't feel like waiting a week for youtube, I could help you upload it to my server (which would be MUCH faster), and then I could convert the file to a smaller size for you and upload it. I have the sort of equipment to process this stuff that could spit out a file that size in less than a minute. Just let me know what you want to do.

If you are successful with running the car... then I think we will begin to get overwhelming attention on this subject.

I think the eventual goal is to create a small unit that could be bought for maybe a couple hundred dollars, and would be able to power anything you throw at it. Maybe it could be self-regulated within a certain output level, and have different models available for different applications.

Buy one to run your furnace. Buy one to run your car. Let's concentrate on developing this technology enough to get it out into the general public's hands.

[StihlWoody]

Well, here's my pictures...

One tube is CLEARLY where the magnetolysis process occurs, the second tube is a scrubber/bubbler, and the 3rd tube the water refill.

I haven't driven to the hardware store yet to get the steel tube....

StihlWoody