The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[Mark69]

Oswald,

I am very interested in your work, especially if you can get one to run a natural gas furnace.  I look forward to your pics and you sharing more of your success with us!  Thank you.

Mark

[markdansie]

@ everyone
I will be salvaging some of my old projects and have a crack at this as well.
It is important to scrub the gas first. I spent many months in the USA running HHO through diesels etc in small quantities testing the effect it had on cleaning up emissions , power and econ my. One thing we noticed was often with he gas production yougot some steam which was in this case containing KOH. It was highly corrosive. By putting it through a bubbler we were able to scrub the gas and reclaim the lost KOH to be reused in the system
Also if you are running any engine on hydrogen they need to be modified or treated as you will soon run into embrittlement issues. many experimenters with HHO has run into this in the past. You can purchase new engines of all different sizes that are made to run on HHO or I believe (have never done it myself) youcan by treatments that will coat your parts n a way to protect it from metal embrittlement.
I am curious to get this running as an experiment to see ho much of the lye or solution is consumed. If it is minimal then it still a very cheap form of non polluting fuel.
This leads me to another question.
If you start with lets say our pre prepared saturated solution, how much water do we add to it to start with and how do we top it up on the fly?
Mark

[markdansie]

I just read my last post and want to add a little for information on the recovery method. When we scrubbed the gas through the water we use this water to top up the electrolysis unit. It worked a treat. We were using both conventional plate cells (Bob Boyce arrangement) and what I known as Dry Cells or the Terro designs. We simply had the bubbler as part of the main unit with a hole between them below the fluid level so it would self top p. The gas was gathers and piped into this compartment containing the reserve. To this compartment we had the water reserve which just topped it up when it reached a certain level (this was pumped in)
I hope this makes sense.
Mark

[mscoffman]

Also the claim that it would be the first time cold fusion was proven going to Oswaldonfire...I beg to differ.  AlaskaStar published a powerpoint which a frame was referenced previously back in 2006 or 2007?  Need to double check that.  I also note that John Kanzius patented it AFTER AlaskaStar's powerpoint was published open-source...which should nullify Kanzius' patent.  So I would opt to give the credit where it's due.

Your getting this a little wrong...Oswaldonfire is really claiming that there
is no source for the energy required beyond the magnetic drive energy
required to magnolyse water. Which is OK, but this is a violation of the
conservation of energy law, and if it's happening then it's REALLY big news.

I am claiming that water molecules don't just fall apart but need extra energy
to make up for the difference in energy emitted beyond faraday
amounts (the amounts a plain old electrolyser uses.) But the cold
fusion explanation requires fuel in the water (deuterium) that will
be used up as the water is recycled in a closed container.

So if you can produce the amount of gas claimed (which is obviously WAY
overunity) then you or we can test if recycling the HHO causes the gain
to die out over time while the water is being recycled in a closed isolated
container...if it does then it is cold fusion...out if it never dies out, then
water molecules are just falling apart.

In either case the process still works, but in the deuterium case you
will have to recycle the water through the environment to pick up
new deuterium. No harm to know what you want it to do so that it
doesn't ever die out.

This John Kanius thing just paints a pretty picture because he never proved
that he even had overunity at all. Just that HHO could be combusted at the
same time it was being produced. I recognized that that could produce
a "Luminary: - a light bulb recycling the HHO. And I then recognized that
that could be used to prove cold fusion explanation for excess HHO or a ZPE
explanation.

So the experiment could be done by someone producing large amounts of
HHO. Just tell me which happens and how long it takes if it dies out.
It is something to look forward to if someone makes this work as claimed.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[oswaldonfire]

Oswaldonfire is really claiming that there
is no source for the energy required beyond the magnetic drive energy
required to magnolyse water. Which is OK, but this is a violation of the
conservation of energy law, and if it's happening then it's REALLY big news.

This process does not violate the first law of thermodynamics... at least the way I see it in my mind. There is always new energy coming into the system in the bonds of the water molecule. This process is already EXTREMELY efficient compared to conventional electrolysis - it doesn't have any of the drawbacks to overcome.

We are inputting energy - but only to split the water. And more energy is coming off of the water in the form of the gasses. The amount of energy contained in the system (in the water) is LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO the amount of energy coming out in the gasses. At least this is how I think of it.

Right now I have more of the mentality of, "who gives a shit exactly how it works or where the extra energy comes from - IT WORKS. Now let's build it again and make it better."