The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[ramset]

iquant
amazing, obviously sodium brings alot to the table.

SW @all
I'll be meeting this weekend with an EE about this !
And then a chemical engineer,plus I have a physicist
in the family if need be.

Open source of course.
No stone left unturned!

Chet

[LtBolo]

If the inductance is so high, how then (Ltbolo...) does one build a coil that is actually capable of performing this task?

I'd say the question is best posed to the guys that claimed to have done it. I'm just offering my observations as I play with this.

If a magnetic field is the goal, any coil that cancels or contains the magnetism (bifilar, toroid, caduceus) wouldn't be a very good choice.

To make lots of magnetism you either need lots of windings or lots of current. Lots of windings makes lots of inductance. Lots of inductance makes lots of inductive reactance. Just 10mH at 17MHz is slightly over 1 meg ohm of inductive reactance. I just threw a 2' long by 2" diameter 800 turn air core inductor into the calculator...it is estimated at 82mH. That translates into nearly 9 meg ohms of inductance at 17MHz. To put 5W into that would require about 6600v at about 750uA.

While I want to believe Oswald and Chris...and I honestly do...observations like this give me a bit of a pause. The circuits required to do this are reasonably difficult for a hobbyist to build.

As for using RF, I'm sure that could work since Kansius did it, but you can't simply take the 5W output of a CB radio and push that into a coil. That 5W rating is based on pushing into an antenna with a standing wave ratio (SWR) as close to 1 as possible. Virtually any coil you build will have an SWR much higher than that, which will likely result in destroying the radio. Not sure how much power Kansius used, but my gut tells me it was hundreds or thousands of watts....and probably well under unity.

On a positive note, given the difficulty of pushing significant power into the coil, if you do see gas it probably isn't vapor.

[iquant]

What about adding Nickel Nanowires to the NaOH solution?

[StihlWoody]

Ltbolo:

THANK YOU!!!

Your last post contained really good and useful information!!!

Now I may grate your nerves pretty bad, but the goal isn't to heckle you.  The goal is to find/ try something that may possibly work. 

If economic collapse is coming, we (the humans of this planet) are going to need and require an alternative.

This being the case, maybe if you could volunteer some more of this useful information, even if it's speculative, or even un-tested, it might shed light on something or spark an innovative idea.

StihlWoody

[Gwandau]

Saw my name was up earlier as one of those dedicated to this project.

This is correct, but I won't be able to initiate my own planned experiments until november,
since the guy who will design the equipment for my AC pulsed test series is gone to Chile for an
installment of an automated mining transport system.

This guy is absolutely invaluable in my participation in this project, since I do not have the academic
background for solving the inductive reactance problem as well as just getting together the optimal
hardware configuration.

Still, I have done some research on the net regarding different kinds of magnetic pulse systems as well
as high frequency pulse systems, but really don´t know if this could be of any value to you guys who
have a better understanding.

For example, would a double-gate-type static-induction thyristor (DG-SIThy) with a high blocking voltage and a high current rating be of use?

The high frequency pulsed power generator using this DG-SIThy seemd quite simple to build, and was made
as a portable unit, powered with a 12 volt battery.

The PDF also contains some heavy duty stuff like a Pulsed High-Current Generator
using IGBT and Magnetic Pulse Compression.

http://www.webstracts.com/ppc2005/papers/10344.pdf

Gwandau