The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[LtBolo]

I would agree that there are coil arrangements that would work at high frequencies, but in general, I don't think they are going to produce a meaningful magnetic field. Not that I'm married to the idea of the field, but Chris Hunter stressed that magnetic field intensity was the key.

At the levels of inductance that must be present, high voltage is the only way to deliver the power levels he claimed. Of course the power supply required to provide the thousands of volts it would require, are more difficult to build.

I was messing around in the lab a bit tonight, and hooked up a flat solenoid/plastic tube to my Tesla Hairpin. With the tube empty, it will pull about a 1" plasma arc to ground. With the tube filled with NaOH solution, it wouldn't resonate at all...which surprised me...but then after thinking about it, it really doesn't...I can actually think of several possible reasons why it kills the ringing. I reduced the amount of NaOH to about 3" in the bottom, and was able to pull about 1/4" arc. I left it running for a while but got nothing out.

The hairpin is driven with a 250W oil furnace transformer. The spark gap is about 1"...crazy loud and crazy bright. A 100W halogen bulb lights very nicely when hooked across the bars. Clearly there is plenty of power at high frequency.

I wanna believe guys...but nothing I've seen gives me much hope.

[ramset]

Well
Spent yesterday with an EE buddy.
Felt like I was in church , bein rebuked ,been there many times before !

Ltbolo I appreciate the perspective you bring to this Forum all the more.
The what if ? kind of mentality! Instead of the "Blasphemy Heretic Whacko"

But thats OK the world will catch up ,and so will the science!
Besides that was just a warm up for the guy I really want to run this by,
An EE extraordinaire,not ready for that yet .

Our friend Mags [Magluvin] emailed back with some very cool insight.And some ideas for "testing".
Hope he can join us soon !\

Real soon!:}

Chet

[Magluvin]

Hi all
I just noticed that I posted in the wrong thread last night. sorry. If you want to get rid of it and paste it here, please do.

Well  I found a site that is useful.     http://www.cirris.com/testing/resistance/wire.html

So 22 ga   800 turns on a 1 in. ID is 1.25 OD I think   and the wire resistance per foot is .01614 ohms

The circumference is 3.14159 x 1.25 = 3.92 in x 800 turns = 3136 in / 12 in. = 261.3 ft of 22 ga  x .01614 ohms per ft = 4.2 ohms total coil  approximately.

So lets say 13.5v car running / 4.2 ohms = 3.2 amps        24v/4.2= 5.7 amps     

All this if just battery voltage is used to pulse the coil.

But the Tesla igniter circuit could use less current than assumed above and fill a cap with high voltage and dump the cap to the coil.  Pulse. Good pulse.

Well I got a test tube with a rubber stopper and going to try some small tests.   I have some coils premade to experiment with.   Its easy to try and I chose glass to see the reaction if any.

Will post results when I get some. ;]

Mags

[ramset]

Mags,
Thanks Bud,
If the "edit" hasn't timed out just delete and move to here!
Or just repost here.[if you don't ,I will]
Chet
PS
you always have cool ideas on how to experiment on the cheap!,with limited resources!
These sugestions you offer here ,are just such examples,
and if we can add the Gauss as anonymous mayonaise man is doing maybe we can show some progress!

[Magluvin]

Hi all
Ive been out of the loop for a bit, but had a lot of time to think.
Ram emailed me to check out this idea and it sounds good.
It seems we have all the ingredients other than solution density and how to fire the coil.

Solution will have to be experimented with.

Firing the coil, I would use cap discharge. High impulse dc. Teslas Igniter circuit just might do it. But a cap discharge of high voltage, say start at 300v, starting with small caps at first.
Just a suggestion from what I understand of it at this point.

Caps at high volts can deliver gobs of amps into the coil instantaneously, and produce a strong field very quickly.

Again, just from what I read since last night, I see the particles all in a series/ parallel  glob, maybe, but it will take a good pulse to produce all the energy needed to get the majority of the particles to split water all together.

I like the capacitive plates on the container idea also. Believe it or not, I had thoughts of this within the last 2 weeks as to if it could work, being the water becomes a part of the capacitors makeup. This will provide voltage potential within the water, but the induction idea does hold more plate surface area as suggested.

A cheap strobe light can charge a cap to 400v pretty quick, put a larger cap in, it will take longer to charge with the same circuit, but will pulse harder.  If it works, build or buy a bigger strobe circuit or just a flash circuit.

Hope this helps

Mags

pasted from repl. thread