The downfalls of conventional electrolysis - and how to fix them

[Goat]

Flat solenoids, much like one you would wind around a pipe, are inherently resonant in the spirit of a Tesla transformer. When the coil is designed for high Q, a sharp impulse from a fast FET switch, or better yet a capacitive discharge through a spark gap, it will accumulate reactive energy with each impulse. It could be the intensity of the reactive energy, or perhaps the resonance at a specific frequency, that is the key for triggering the reaction.

Think of it this way: If you have a tuning fork that rings at 1000Hz, and you were to attach a magnetic coil assembly to excite it, if the coil assembly was highly resonant at 1000Hz, you could excite the tuning fork with almost no power. If the coil was not resonant, however, it might take far more energy to excite the same output.

There are many possible resonances in this system: The coil, the column of water acoustically, the column of water electrically, the NaOH ions in solution, etc. When the coil resonance matches the drive frequency, you can excite the coil with very little energy. When the coil frequency matches something in the water too, perhaps the reaction can be started with very little power.

I certainly have no clue, having not tried it...but...I think that is the kind of thinking Chris is encouraging, and is perhaps the reason that some have good results and some none at all.

@ LtBolo

I understand what you're saying but I ran across this from Alaskastar at the OUpower forum so I'm not sure about the frequency and resonance but more to do with Gauss strength...

I lost the link to this quote but it's in the thread on some page:

Edit:  Link to page at http://oupower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2327&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=285

"FIRST TEST:

AT A FRIEND'S HOUSE, WE USED 17.1 MHZ POWER TRANSISTORS JUST LIKE
THOSE USED IN TRANSMITTERS TO PERFORM THE TEST. WE COULD NOT GET
ENOUGH WATER INTO THE DAMNED COILS FAST ENOUGH. I DO NOT HAVE AN
FCC LICENSE TO PURCHASE THE AFOREMENTIONED EQUIPMENT, HE TURNED
INTO AN ASS, AND WE HAVEN'T SPOKEN IN QUITE A WHILE SINCE.

SECOND TEST:

USED A 555 TIMER PWM, AND SEVERAL COIL DESIGNS, AND DISCOVERED IT HAS
LITTLE TO DO WITH FREQUENCY, AND MORE TO DO WITH THE GAUSS
STRENGTH."

It would be nice if Chris had documented his experiments with the right combination that was successful.  We do have a lot of information but which of the variables work well you got me on that one

Chris also mentioned 3 different methods he had tried which I"m still looking for but it was basically what he mentioned above.

Regards,
Paul

[LtBolo]

I understand what you're saying but I ran across this from Alaskastar at the OUpower forum so I'm not sure about the frequency and resonance but more to do with Gauss strength...

Yeah, I read that. High Q coil resonance will increase the magnetic field with very little input. Hence my statement that it could be the intensity of the reactive energy.

But...

If others have taken Chris' own board, with his guidance, and were unable to get any meaningful results, I would be questioning his conclusions. The logical next step after testing high magnetic strength generated efficiently via resonance, is to look for other sympathetic resonances.

If this were as easy as Oswald suggested, there would already be a pile of replications. Since there doesn't seem to be, if we accept what Oswald and Chris have said as truth, then we have to assume there is more to the story. I am just offering some thoughts on what that might be.

[slapper]

That's got me kind of baffled. That ~1-1/2" long aluminum tube gets very hot fast.

Don't dare hang unto it. Can't leave it on for more than 5 seconds - don't want to bake
the insulation on the wire.

How much flux do we need? Maybe the more flux the less touchy the frequency.
Maybe my rig is just way off. The assembly settles in on 230Khz resonance.

It's looking like I'mma gonna rig my Don Smith assembly up for some magnetolysis.

Take care.

nap

[LtBolo]

That ~1-1/2" long aluminum tube gets very hot fast.

Eddy currents, perhaps?

[slapper]

How strong an electromagnetic field does it take to create that kind of eddy flow?

Heck if I know. I will show some measurements but a 2" single turn wrap around the inductor coil
creates over 100volts peak to peak sine waves connected to my scope probes. Not sure I can trust
the measurements till I get some detail time.

Take care.

nap