Ronald Classen's H2O Motor Project

[Paul-R]

@paul-r
I can not find by naudin
Input Power VS Output Power
(as usual by Naudin)

No, he doesn't quote it like that. He claims 20 times gas output
than you would get from traditional electrolysis:
http://jlnlabs.online.fr/bingofuel/html/bfr11.htm
The implication could be that if the output from traditional electrolysis,
as taught in schools, represents the value obtained according to
the "law of conservation of energy", then there should be scope to show
overunity.

When it comes to his Honda generator, there is no prony brake to measure
power. I am convinced that a new type of IC engine is needed for HHO.

1. The gases burn and expand, producing a power stroke.
2. These gases (steam) condense to water producing suction,
     and therefore a second power stroke.
But these processes do NOT take the same time to happen. This
is a BIG problem for ordinary crank type IC designs.
Paul.

[pese]

@Oaul

aha ! this is another thing  as appel to banana !
but this not your fault.

Are youthure that 20 time more is enough ?

You cant it .
You dont know his meaning , what is conventional.

To say , it produce  x liter Gaz with  1Kw DC-Current
that is to use  for the Motor :
1 liter Gaz + 4 Liter Air  to burn in an Motor ,
that is the simplest to do,
Than can understand all people , also me !

All others is "Wishi-Waschi"

Nothing that is "clear " will only used to fake .
To belive
to ...


Pese

[h20power]

Say if anyone is interested in seeing the math of vacuum's effects on electrolysis take a look here: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1500.30.html

I have shown with pure science the effects that vacuum will give. Plus I gave a lot of info about the effects of charged water. I just hope that everyone will get off of using gasoline soon, before this war on terror is over, so we all can see the true face of those who do us harm. I took another look at the Joe Cell and have some new theories as to how it works, with only science, for too many end up in failure when tring to get the device to work for it to be of science. So I took it a look into this technology for myself, sort of an in the bottle perspective. I am not done with all of my studies but I think I have figured it all out. So far I can say the technology is very different than standerd electrolysis. Well, to me water is the wave of the future. So I am trying to get a lot done to get things moving towards that future. Take care all and lots of luck to everyone.

[keithturtle]

[/quote]When it comes to his Honda generator, there is no prony brake to measure
power. I am convinced that a new type of IC engine is needed for HHO.

1. The gases burn and expand, producing a power stroke.
2. These gases (steam) condense to water producing suction,
     and therefore a second power stroke.
But these processes do NOT take the same time to happen. This
is a BIG problem for ordinary crank type IC designs.

Well, there is one engine that supposedly takes H2 high flame speed into design consideration ; the Larson RADAX

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8507662210221625210&q=hydrogen+car&hl=en

I think it has its roots in the Bourke design from the early-mid 20th century
http://bourke-engine-project.com/14507.html

The lack of con-rod arc movement helps the power transfer in this design.
Now let's find someone to build it.
After all, most of the stuff we're talkin' about is two decades old or more; has it been suppressed and if so is it worth getting back into the mainstream of discussion?
Where do we go from here?

Keith

[sterlinga]

I've created a feature page about this here:
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Muller_Dynamo:Replication:Ron_Classen

• Ronald Classen's Replication of the Muller Dynamo - With as much work as has gone into this prototype, you would hope that Ron might be into over unity.  He's looking for feedback from those who might help him prove and improve what he has. (PESWiki; Oct. 14)

I didn't see any relation to water at the time I built the page.  It wasn't until I looked here at Overunity.org that I saw that this same device was being used in an H2O electrolysis scenario.  Perhaps this is a marriage of the two that David Wenbert has been talking about?