Ronald Classen's H2O Motor Project

[h2o2go]

Ken, All
I have pondered the possibilities of a turbocharger as part of an H2(O2) system and have not abandoned the idea but I am not sure a conventional application holds any answers
A turbocharger (or supercharger) forces more air (20% Oxy) into the charge, requiring more fuel to maintain the Stociometric A/F ratio.? This increases Volumetric Efficiency but not economy directly.
Our problem is: not enough fuel for normally aspirated conditions.

Second Thought................. (totally different)
Since we have a large volume drop with recombination (sucking exhaust), someone said 1000:1(?) I have been wondering how we could harness that energy ? I am reminded that the first internal combustion engines were Atmospheric Engines.? I am going to go back and understand how they worked better and see where my weird thought processes take me.?
Anyone who wants to go along ......... jump in

Dave

[kenbo0422]

Just another thought after thinking about your 1000:1 recombination problem....  I'm assuming this is a 4 cycle type of motor.   If so, why not a combination 4 / 2 stroke setup.  The only modification I'm proposing would be a port in the lower cylinder wall to allow air in before the upstroke of exhaust.  Once the engine is up to operating temperature this may also aid in water removal during the exhaust stroke.  In order to keep atmospheric gases out during the intake phase, use a reed valve or some such device to only open when the vacuum is present.

[rlm555339]

It sounds like a 2 cycle motor would work better if one could figure out how to lube it while running.  I like the extra hole in the bottom of the stoke idea..........(wonder how to do that without screwing up the motor?)  You can tell I'm not a mechanic, huh?   

Speaking of exhaust, I joined the Yahoo egaspower group and they said one person was having problems with exhaust valve getting too hot.  ??  (I guess his machine runs or something)  In our discussions here, we have determined that the exhaust sucks.  This does not compute.  Now I'm really confused.  How can the exhaust valve get hot if it handles incoming air?

But........I'll worry about that if and when I ever get more than 5 seconds running time out of it.  I have had an idea or two thrown my way so it's just a matter of implementing them and see what happens.

I appreciate all the help and ideas.

[kenbo0422]

One more note about H2 water engines....  The one idea that I've seen that seems to make sense (since the H2 / 02 is hard to manufacture fast enough) is one I read about that uses an electrolysis setup whereby the gases produced are an additive to the normal intake to the engine.  I believe one design (yes, the Ma'at or whatever, which is more complicated than needed, I think) uses a frequency applied to the electrodes.  The only reason I can see for this is to have an external input from the rpm of the engine to regulate the frequency, thus producing gas proportional to the need of the engine.  The claims in this case are mileage increases due to the H2 being incorporated into the burning process at a set percentage.  Yes, Ron, the Ma'at is stupid when it comes to electrolysis, DC is better.  I'm wondering though, if it isn't supposed to be used (the frequency) as a 'throttling' device, like a duty cycle on an electric motor speed controller....   

[christo_g]

Hi All,

I've been working on splitting H2O and would like to take some part in this discussion. My opinion is that we should not dismiss the pulsed (high) frequency low amps, low volts electrolysis.

I am going over Stenley Meyer's patents (4,936,961; 4,798,661 and others) and going to try to replicate his devices. Looks like that Ma?as water car is taken from these patents too, but I think they are missing the patent?s trade secret. In Meyer?s patent the exact frequency is shown as 0Hz, as well as some other things are missing, but as I see it, there should be something in this. As far as I know, the patents are granted after witnessing the effect.

Meyer is using the water as a dielectric in a cap, so this helps in having low Amps, low Volts electrolysis (the claims, as far as I know, are for about 0.5A and 45V). By my opinion, the thing is to have a LC circuit in a resonance frequency. As water may have different resistance depending on its pureness, the cap will change, so he is using an additional variable inductor/coil to achieve the resonance (it could be done with different schematic for auto resonance). My guess is that the LC?s resonance frequency?s wave length needs to match the length of the water molecule or actually one of its harmonics. This way we can achieve a resonance in the water itself - have the molecules orientate and following splitting after enough charge build up in the ?dielectric?. It may also need to have exact distance between the electrodes to match that frequency?s wave length (harmonic).

I am not a chemist nor I am deep in electronics (however an electrical engineer), but after looking at some of Tesla?s inventions, the key for me is in the resonance.

So far I and on my friend have built a generator (10Hz-1MHz with 5A mosfet) and the electrodes and when time permits going to try all this. Does anybody have any idea what the frequency should be according to the above conclusions?

Cheers,
Christo