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Started by TechStuf, August 10, 2010, 04:26:27 PM

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gravityblock

Quote from: jadon1979 on October 01, 2010, 04:52:11 PM
P.S. God can prevent "Evil" but will he all the time?  No.  We have Freewill.  That means we can choose to not do good.  What is "Evil"?  Choosing to do bad things.  You might think Hitler was "Evil" ... which he was... but then... we are all evil!  You lied, cheated, stole, etc etc etc.... all acts of evil.  We place our own emphasis on what is evil and what is not.  We do not have the ability to judge evil as God would.  How can a liar judge another liar or a thief another thief? 

If God stepped in to stop all acts of evil then we wouldn't have free will.  Judge all acts of evil as long as you're looking in the mirror with the realization that you can be evil too.

Yes, we all sin and fall short.  But this does not mean we should practice it.  If food is stolen in order for someone to eat, then this is one thing.  But if something is stolen just for the fun of it, then this is another thing.  It doesn't take much common sense, to realize which is evil, and which is not.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

jadon1979

I think we should at least try to be good people.  Even though there's no way to pull it off.  All our deeds good or bad is like a "dirty rag".  The only reason we're going to even have a shot at heaven is Jesus and his sacrifice.  I am not the judge of non believers.  I do not know how they will be dealt with.  I just know that I am a sinner and am no better than they are.  We all have a faith in something and I will tell you now that the faith of the non believers is far greater than the believers.

WilbyInebriated

Quote from: jadon1979 on October 01, 2010, 04:40:27 PM
Problem with science is we have very FEW great minds willing to go outside of the box.  People just accept Joe Shmoe because what he says is "logical". 
i disagree. people just accept what joe shmoe says because they really don't understand logic.

Quote from: jadon1979 on October 01, 2010, 04:40:27 PM
We were not there in the beginning to see how any of this reality came to be.  We can GUESS what happened and pretend it's fact.... dress it up with nice equations to back the theory.... the major flaw - Ego. 
indeed. it seems to be as silly as perpetual motion... who will be there at infinity point to say "yup, it's still working, spinning, generating, whatever."?

Quote from: jadon1979 on October 01, 2010, 04:40:27 PM
The whole point to this mess of writing is that both Science and Religion require faith.  You can try to argue this all you want.. I hope you can sit your ego to the side and ponder it for a bit.  You have to realize the faith.... some of the statistical probability of many theory foundations share the same numbers as "A goose laying a solid gold egg"...
faith is a subset of belief. a specific case of belief if you will; a belief not resting on material evidence or logical proof. i'm not quite sure why you brought 'science' into this, as we are speaking of logic and reason, not science. regardless, science itself does not require faith although some of the theories of popular science may. logic and reason do not require 'faith'.
There is no news. There's the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater...
the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public.  - Mr. Universe

WilbyInebriated

Quote from: gravityblock on October 01, 2010, 04:54:36 PM
I'm sorry, but nobody will die a physical or spiritual death without the flying spaghetti monster.  You're talking nonsense now.

GB
just as noone will die a physical or spiritual death without god. i was mocking your nonsense...
There is no news. There's the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater...
the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public.  - Mr. Universe

WilbyInebriated

Quote from: jadon1979 on October 01, 2010, 05:02:24 PM
I just know that I am a sinner and am no better than they are.
"the very concept of sin comes from the bible. christianity offers to solve a problem of its own making! would you be thankful to a person who cut you with a knife in order to sell you a bandage?"    dan barker
There is no news. There's the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater...
the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public.  - Mr. Universe