Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[Koen1]

well didn't we already have that electrinium battery pdf?

And although a nice read, it is not really extremely helpfull.
I mean, what exactly does it mean when the author says
the two elements chosen should have a harmonious resonant
relationship?
As if every element has its own single frequency or something?

And the authors remarks about the "sludge" in a battery being
pure "electrinium compound" doesn't sound very sensible either...
After all, that would mean that for example zinc-carbon compound
is "electrinium" and outputs electricity when polarised? But
zinc and carbon are totally different sized atoms with totally different
valences, and how exactly does that compute with the demand
of harmonic resonance between the two?

I get the feeling the author of that doc should have studied actual
science a bit more, and the new age vibrationology a little less.

[ian middleton]

G'day all,

@Koen: I Have to agree. This is not a document I would pin any hopes on. But if the author is living off "the grid" I would like to know more about it.


@dcarlson: The links you gave and the information in them are most valuable. Maybe not because they are realistic in todays terms but they do provide an alternative view .
There are some elements in the PDF that we are using today, and some concepts which closely match the lines of research this group is conducting. Any information needs to be looked at carefully.

Maybe  the sludge might be useful in one of our mixes, who knows ?

Ian

[nightlife]

Has anyone thought of using the fastest corroding metal and the least fastest as two substances mixed together with water? Does anyone know what those metals are?

Or by just using the fastest mixed with water and the slowest as the negative and positive cores. I would think the inner core would have a high osculation pressure making it the positive and the outer having a lower osculation pressure making it the negative.

I am also interested in the sludge in the bottom of the car battery's that was mentioned. I have plenty of old car battery's and I will take one apart and check this. Based on what was said, I should be able to use that sludge to create a power cell that should last forever.

This is very interesting and I think it's worth checking into.

[sutra]

Hi everybody...

Don't you think guys that with such ideas you are going a bit out of focus?

As far I understood Hutchinson's power Cell (Converter) is based on the Casimir Effect and piezoelectricity (should be completely water-free)....I think that you are risking to go back to galvanic reactions (driven in moist ambient).

On the original video, Hutchinson mixes the ingredients on a simple piece of news paper....and the "special" chemical he uses look to me so much dry....just like powder... If I may ask:

Why do you led in water-based chemical reactions?

Yes, through water, crystallisation is probably easy but as far as I remember from the school, it is really difficult to prevent crystals, obtained in such a way, to adsorb / absorb moisture....for me the risk of developing galvanic reactions is too high in that way...that's why some of your cell acquire more power after some day....

I also think that the necessity of two different metals as electrodes, could confirm my doubts....
...theorically, once that a voltage discharge is created in the quartz particles and there is a correct alignment among them, the electrons will automatically flow in the correct direction building up voltage and current without necessity of "pulling" them with metals of different electro-negativity.

Please consider my words in a constructive way, not as a critic on your great work.

Ciao
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[Koen1]

@nightlife: well of course, if you have a lot of used batteries from which
you can harvest some sludge, and you want to try if that can be turned into
a power cell, then by all means do try and post your findings!
But be carefull! Batteries tend to be quite toxic, and we really don't want
you poisoning yourself or your cat or whoever now, do we?
One of the difficulties with that "electrinium battery" idea is that the
author at some point suggests that an electrinium compound should
be polarised and encased in a third element, which has the same
temperature sensitivity (expansion coefficient) as the electrinium
compound, and is a suitable material for the desired electron flow.
So I guess you should determine the thermal sensitivity of the
sludge compound, and find a conductive or semiconductive
material that has the same sensitivity to encase it in. It seems to
me that this material should if possible be a pure elemental substance
and not a compound...

About the fastest corroding metals, I don't really follow what you mean...
I mean, of course the most "corrosive", or actually most chemically reactive
metals are the alkalimetals, you know, all the way to the left of the periodic
table, and the least chemically active beside the noble gases that are totally
inactive, are the Fluoride group all the way to the right of the table...
And yes, if you mix them in water they do indeed react; or at least most of
them do, and quite aggressively too. During these reactions a lot of energy
can be released in the form of heat. But after reaction you are generally left
with a very non-reactive compound, which is chemically neutral.
In fact, this is the sludge in the batteries we're talking about.
Now some compounds do have some interesting electrical properties,
like the famous Galena, which is a crystalline form of Lead Sulphate (PbS).
Galena was used in crystal radios in the 1920s and is a semiconductive
compound. But since then much more efficient semiconductors have been developed.
Anyways, all of such compounds can theoretically be polarised to a
degree, some more than others due to their material structure.
Old (and modern) car batteries often used lead plates and sulphuric acid, didn't they?
Well, then any sludge on the bottom should be mostly PbS... but not in
crystalline form...
And if you can figure out a way to safely (!) collect some of that (or just buy
some galena and crush it) and can figure out how to make that into a solid
block (encased in some other material), while polarising it, then you might be able to
make a nice "electrinium battery" replication attempt.
But like I said before, take precautions before you start digging into old batteries eh?