Crystal Power CeLL by John Hutchison

[das aloda bullspit]

at jeanna
I dont think silanes would be a viable alternalive as they are highly flammable in oxygen  unless you have got a sugggestion in which it could be used for what about silicides like magnesium silicide? its alot more stable is there any reason it needs to be silane titagnategs seem tggo beeg  tgghe bestgg solugtgigong (G keys broke now )   has anybody heard from koen id like to know how what has happened to his cells understangding his may help me to understand mine also gmgr gbrgookg kgegep gugpgn g ghtgghejg ggoogdgj gggggggggggggwookrgkjgrgk(kegygbgoard has broaokcghgt)

[Mk1]

@all

Did anyone look at TT brown study of petro electric ...

Its the same thing ...

[ian middleton]

G'day all.

@Das, yep the pie cell was quite a while ago so I had to go hunting for it.  Anyway it still has 0.238V across it but as with most of the earlier cells, very little current.  As for Koen, I haven't spoken to him for almost 18 months. Thats probably because of my health issues. The last I heard was he had gone to South Africa for a spell.

@MK1, yes I have studied TT Browns work in great detail and it could be said that he was the one who kicked this thing off.

Although I haven't made any new cells for a while I've been reviewing the performance of some i made earlier in the year.
It appears that with most, if not all, silicate based cells there is a lengthy  matuturation time before you can determine it's true characteristics. Here is an example.

Cell 15-2010   made 20th Feburary 2010.

Rochelle salt
Crushed pumice  (lava rock)
Sodium silicate
Iron oxide
Pyrites.
Aluminium tube and copper electrode.

This whole mix was "cooked" for about 3 hours and thoroughly mixed. It produced a thick but pourable paste.
Once the cell had cooled it put out 1.15V and I set it to work running a wall clock.
After 5 days I removed it and let it sit. What I should have done was to put a 1Kohm load resistor across it.
On July 25th I hooked it up to a meter and it put out 0.913V. Dead short current is 15.6uA and thats where it stays.
When the short was removed some 5 days later the voltage recovered to 1.01V within 2 minutes and the cycle was repeated.
I think I may have suggested before that it is most likely that we can only expect a constant current of 10-15uA from a sodium silicate based cell.

For those interested please feel free to reproduce this cell.

Hope to be back soon. Take care.

Ian

[das aloda bullspit]

@ ian

I did have a cell which was a verry large cell over 500 kg of material in it it put out over a few volts and has gone to 1.89 volts to give you a ideo of how big it is its the size of a ww2 standard bom shell 60 cm tall i used the original copper rod insoide it was  a bugger i called it the tank cell i think that john uses krazy glue to seal his cells up from moisture and also siloxane may be a good choice thankyou to whoever sent that  evrgygone should try tghat someday  do you think your pyritges cell is a galvanic or a real  crystal cell? also how can sulphur help  prevent galvanic reaction in the cells? also have you tgried when you made cells  one with just the main ingredient and one witgh all the additives? has anybody tgried tgestging the crystal cells against other batteries to see tghe results ?  this could give us a clear indication to whather tghey are better than stamndard batgteries ive also been reading up on the earlier cells what do you think about these cells? do you think they are galvanic or is there something more to it? is the pyrite cell sgtill working and if possible could you put up a few photos  of it and the watch it is working with  also the cells you sowed to prove a point o dranom are tey still working and what have you learned from your experiences in crystal cells?

@ jeanna tghe cell you made on page 21 or 25 the one that dissolved the aluminium does that still put out any voltage? that one is verry intgeresting sounds a bit like a geopolymer is itg still working and also have you had any more luck with the geopolymer cell or is that somebody else

@ mrbrook how are your cells going im guessing the sealant cells are stgill working have you tried them whith anything like a little watch or putting them together to double tghe voltage also hav  you made any more cells and if so how are they performing? have you trid adding metgal oxides to oyur cells also hve you tgried putting them in a shielded metal box or boxes to see if they rae not rf powered or anything like that? how is the lepidolite cell going  i baught tgwo dehumidifiers  electric ones and a sealed box tgo put them into also i still cant seem to get any of my images onto the thread oh well could you send me any pictures of your cells performing  voltage tests and powering stuff? oh and a new guy called prototype9000 is on youtube and he is made a cell that contains only cement and sodium silicate  it has powered a led for uptoi a d
ay would be nice if he could join us and give us his results  also has im has anybody thought of using a small amountgg or krazyglue and mixing itg witggh rhe rock samples in a powder paste mix and putting it into a container? itg might work and last of all the cells you made in page 41 or 42 the ones that used chalk limestone and pyritgge and bournite do they still work and also putgg any new polarized cells in a dehumidifing box gtgo remove any moisture and i suggest putting a top on all of our cells so tgghe humiditgy doesnt get to them also do your cells heat up when shorted ive found that  most crystal cells dont heat up much nad i doesnt vent any electrolyte ? also put the cells on colcks and watches to determine their longterm electrical viability and see how logng it takes to charge up sorry if i am bieng pedantic but tits tghe best way to determine all of the possible outcomes to the nature and endurance of tghese cells good luck to eveyone and dnon t forget to send lots of photos and letters have a god holiday and ggwish you well ian



from mr xx

[ian middleton]

G'day all,

@Das, thanks for your kind wishes.

I will try and post some more photos of some of my more successful cells soon.  The ones I'm working with now are definately not galvanic.
Over the last two days I've been testing Cell 19-2010. It's a standard silicate cell only the rochelle salt was added as a liquid and allowed to crystalize slowly within the mix. I think i made this one in April. It was not a great performer. 0.9V @ 15uA. What I did notice, and this is the exciting bit, not only did it's output change with ambient temperature but it also registered lighting bolts from a 160km away.
Pretty cool I thought. Each lightening strike registered as a small pulse on the output of about 2 uA, easily seen on a moving coil meter.

Anyway I decided to run some tests involving elevated temperatures. When heated to 70 oC,  Cell 19-2010 puts out a constant current of over 4 mA. As long as the temperature is maintained the output remains steady. @45.5 oC it puts out 180 uA. It will take me a few days to plot it's temp v current curve so stay tooned.

What this means is we could have some great cells, but not so good at room temperature.  I can see potential here 
I'll be back soon with this one.

Keep up the good work guys and gal 

Ian