FUELLESS CAR PROTOTYPE by ISMAEL MOTOR

[konehead]

mile too-high
you really like to make stuff up in your imnagination
the offical report came out about a month later there are photos of it and what it says on pesiwki I have seen it so has everyone else too (but I guess not you).
Engineers were there, the DOE people and lots of them...(again you make stuff up )videos of all the engineers and all are there in video IF you want to watch it and study it.
Ismael got permission for THEM to test his stuff - they are interested since his tech can save lots of enegy consumption in phillipines....it was not done for Ismael to use THEIR LAB to fabricate fake-confirmation his system is OU like you insinutate, ... the DOE engineers declared it OU.
I am relaly THROUGH replying to you about this subject of Ismel being "credible" you are not credilbe, or beleiveable yourself  that is for sure.
you seem like someong looking for fight and argument about stuff you know nothign about and dont want to learn about either since you have decided already on its validity. its very irratating and wasting my time really sorry.

[kEhYo77]

@Magluvin


It's there in the code comments
I plan to do maximum of 8 shorts per peak (it will depend on the frequency), where the duration of the short is no longer than 64 us.
Ismael said something about this to be in the range of 0,02 - 0,05 ms to get the best results although I might try to go as low as 1 us
when the coil being shorted will be of very low impedance. (low impedance is very important according to Ismael)
When it comes to the frequency of shorting, the BEMF from my coil oscillates at 250 kHz but I will try to work with 25 kHz with additional capacitor in parallel with my primary to resonate at this frequency.
I will be shorting low impedance secondary coil of my air core transformer

At first, a zero crossing detector triggers Arduino's pin No. 2 causing an immediate execution of the interrupt  trigger() function
The micro-controller now 'knows' that our sine wave signal has just crossed 0 and it must 'wait' for the peak to occur (a delay period set with pot 1 in micro seconds)
If any of the potentiometers' values, beside the no 1, equal zero then the shorting will not be executed.
This maneuver allows me to stop the shorting quickly while I am setting a value on any of the pots, if something goes wrong .
After the short (duration set with pot 3) there is a regulated w time window to collect the collapsing field from the short. (a delay set with pot 4)
And the short-collect cycle happens x times (no of repetitions set with pot 2)

[konehead]

Mile way too high
I am through on subject of ismael with you but will do jsut one more reply on the coil-shorting not affecting draw - I put it all up on the RomeroUK Muller thread here a few montsh ago and I am not going to spend an hour to dig it up for you and link my experiment-results for you either so you find it yourself there on OU,com Muller thread where Romero makes the looper work....its towward the end of the 200 or 300 pages there.
that is, if you really want "written" proof go there, and I doubt you do, you jsut want to argue some more your hopeless case.
I used rpm meter., and also analog meter on power input to puelse DC coils spinnng  rotor of large flat rotor of 8 neo magnets, spinning past coils each side of rotor being shorted into fairly big caps  it would reflect alitllte bit on motor draw, UNTIL I got it down to the "ratio" of .5ms time-length to coilshort of a sinewave peaks, and this was with 60hz sinewave. dont tell me my meauserements were not accurate and you wat proof and how do you know I am not lying and you want proof and how much do you know about electronics and you want proof of my credetnials and was the meters calibrated and you want prrof and it was pulsed DC so how do you know if hte analog meter was right and you want proof and was the battery in your rpm meter fullcharged and you want prrof and did you have the rpm meter locked in rpms and so it didnt who any slow-daown and you want proof and how do youknow if hte cap was connecedte an filling up for sure and you want proof and all else that gets thrown out witt the trash.

[MileHigh]

Konehesd:

I found the report.  I simply forgot about it, it came out so long after the testing.

Here it is:

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2011/10/18/9501935_Philippine_DOST_Report_of_Aviso_Overunity_Electric_Vehicle/Report_on_Ismael_Aviso-v3.pdf

You are the one making up things about this report. 

This report presents results of preliminary tests conducted as part of an investigation of
Mr. Ismael Aviso’s electric vehicle. The tests were conducted at the UPME Vehicle
Research and Testing Laboratory (VRTL) on February 24, 2011. The tests, considered as exploratory only and a prelude to a more exhaustive examination, aimed to (a) perform
an energy accounting of the electric vehicle when running at a specified steady state
condition and (b) determine the range for a given battery charge. The energy accounting
consisted of power measurement at the wheels using the chassis dynamometer and
voltage-current measurements at the batteries. 

They state that they measured the battery power draw with a DSO which is good.  But in the report they say the following:

The “Output Power” is the
wheel power measured with the dynamometer. AC input power is (VA x pf) while input power from the battery is ( Vave x Iave ).

The highlighted text shows that they were measuring the power draw from the battery using the average voltage and the average current, which is wrong and very bad.

Here is the conclusion:

Comparison of the output power vs. the input power when running on Aviso Tech seems
to indicate an “unaccounted for” source of power or energy responsible for the higher
values of output power than input power. It is strongly recommended that a more detailed examination and testing of the Aviso electric vehicle be conducted to address this observation.

Not a single person in the Filipino DOT has signed their name to this document.  So what are talking about when you say a bunch of engineers verified and confirmed this system works as claimed?  Your statements are not true.

Sorry the text is all bold because of a problem with the text formatting and I am not going to try to fix it.

There are no conclusions in this report and nobody even signed their name to it.  They also compare Ismael's system with a mains transformer hooked up to a FWBR to make a power supply.  They measure the "power in" from the mains power line which makes no sense.

I seriously doubt that we will ever see a follow-up report that is more seriously done with real engineers taking responsibility for the report and the data and signing their names to the document. 

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Konehead:

I didn't really want to talk about Ismael's car project myself.  But I found the preliminary report and gave you my comments.

I was really talking about the clip where he claims the three-to-one increase in energy with the magnet moving past the coil and the coil shorting and the collection of the energy into the caps.

That is nothing more than a claim made by Ismael with no data to back it up.  My main point is that you must have data to back up claims like this and you must show your input and output measurements.  Without doing that, then you have nothing.

You seem to be alleging that with a shorting pulse below a certain length of time, that you can put energy into the caps without drawing off energy from the magnets moving past the pick-up coils.  That's not happening at all.  What's happening is that with a very short pulse you are only drawing off a very small amount of energy and you can deceive yourself into believing that you are not drawing any energy off from the moving magnets.

You state that you have done some full tests with output and input measurements?  Please show them to us.   All that I know from the stuff that you have posted is that you always talk about the output, I can't recall a single time you discussed the input.

The bottom line is that for all of these coil shorting/cap dump experiments is that you absolutely must measure the input and the output.  If you don't measure the input and just focus on the output then you are just having fun but you can't make any claims at all about any alleged over unity in the circuit.

MileHigh