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Overunity Machines Forum



New permanent magnet motor on youtube from Roobert33

Started by hartiberlin, November 17, 2010, 05:47:43 AM

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DreamThinkBuild

Hi Clanzer,

That is a great piece of work.

Hi All,

I drew out the idea of embedding the displacement path that your hand makes into the surface of cylinder. The idea is to have an outer drum with magnets that follows the track but have more magnets that are pulled along the track then being repelled at the gate. Maybe this offset of force is enough to push it through the deformed gate? The magnetic vector changes as you move your hand away so the v-track magnets may have to be angled to the normal of the original surface at the point of deformation.

Low-Q

Could the V, or W, track work if it was possible to find a "weak" spot where a double shield could help a stator magnet to change polarity in order to repel and attract in the right moments? Maybe this would be another form of V track, but maybe it would be closer to a working one?

I ask because I have in a simulation found promising method to shield magnets. A way that makes the magnetic flux in two magnets, a moment totally independent of eachother. It's not a new discovery, but the shield are made as a double shield so the magnetism in two independent magnets doesn't share the same shield and magnetic path. Therefor these two magnets can for a moment "work alone" in order to to their own work (for example swap magnetic polarity without applying energy), and then continue to cooperate after these magnets have left the shield.

Simulations shows a truely balanced operation during polarityswap, and yet there is lots of excess force left to make motion when the magnets are in repel and attraction mode. I have already made a thread with this idea, about swapping magnetic polarity without applying energy.

itanimuLLi


Omnibus

@CLaNZeR,

Beautiful work as usual. You're one of the few doing fruitful work here. I don't think people just offering ideas should be encouraged, even less opportunistic individuals clogging the bandwidth of the forum with trivial objections already understood to allow violation. The ideas of these constructions are trivial and what needs to be done is to apply very skillful engineering and craftsmanship. Those of us interested in this matter should study carefully the lessons given by the exceptional work done by the likes of @Roobert33. If someone doesn't have the means to do that he shouldn't rub it. Shouldn't even mention it. We all don't. Some of us are just more determined, as you are.

Having said the above I'd like to mention my concerns regarding your design. The experience I had with the first model adds to what was obvious from the get go -- the drum has to be very very light. This is every bit a watchmaking job. The interplay of forces to make it work is so delicate that any deviation would amount to a dead end.

Now I'm preparing my second variant with a substantially lighter rotor and an arrangement different from @Roobrt33's V-gate. It seems very promising if I can succeed in manufacturing the proper cam. Will try to get in touch tomorrow with someone who has a super precise metal erosion cnc. I was told that's the state of the art in the Swiss watch making industry. Unfortunately, I have only several days to do that and then, as I said, will have to replicate the whole effort in the states because I don't want to carry with me sharp pieces throught the airports.

The theory this is based is the expectation (one can qualitatively feel that by playing with the above device) that the mechanical work of lifting the stator is less than the work of the drum turning from standstill to the point of lifting. That last work isn't enough to overcome the sticky spot, as is known. That there can be conditions of the former two different types of work to be in favorable proportion has already been show in the case of the magnetic propulsory. the question is how we're going to implement it here. @Roobert33 has obviously done it, we should be able to do it too.