Selfrunning HHO system with 400 Watts additional output

[sushimoto]

@ Sterling
sorry no cigar
they are not open sorced and refuse validations and testing. They are just using people lile yourself to suck in potential investors (although they claim they are after none)
They refuse to give details about engine modifications etc.
Mark

Hi Mark,

I dont know, where you are getting your "information" from,
but the only contact with you was my mail from August,
after you have asked for a longer run than in the previous video.

Here my PM to you:

Hi,
please take a look at this internal video.

As a documentation for self sustainability, the setup was
placed on some trolley and shiftet thru the house including an elevator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9czNkIJoObw
The ignition was feeded by the small 12V battery,
which could be easily charged with the 12V output from the generator.

Unortunately, the 150W lamp as an additional load to the transformer
broke halfways because of the vibrations.

Please kepp the link as confident because we dont really want
this Overunity-freeEnergy Circus.
What we are dedicated to is science of efficency. "Efficiency".
.. Anything else just leads to exhausting argueing
and communicative underunity as seen on this forum since years.


best,
sushi

And here your answer, asking for more.

sushi;

Yeah, thats a great demo that was pictured in the video
but if you have any input *please* have him get rid of the
12Vdc external supply or the *battery* in this case. A little extra
energy may be coming from it and getting into the engine. It should
not be necessary to run the engine this way. Simply produce
12VDC from the engine spark magneto that it has embeded in the
flywheel.

Ultimately I would like to see a tethered model helicopter powered
by overunity supply with just an anchor cable so the thing
can't fly off if it wants.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Sorry, but connecting a helicopter-toy is not very scientific.

And which University was refused?
In fact, there are several contacts ongoing wit GERMAN Universities.

The only contact beetween german experimenters and foreign parties,
were with Hagen Ruff from "Chava Energy" and
that is a comercial company.

No cigar for commercial parties, using the anton-team for their purposes.
My english is not good enough for all this argueing and politics.

Somebody here has made a very good point:
The system is not Overunity,
because there is not more water coming out
than they put in."

So please forget the fanatic discussion.

best wishes,
sushi

[questioneverything]

Somebody here has made a very good point:
The system is not Overunity,
because there is not more water coming out
than they put in."

What your not getting is that over unity is not based solely on comparison of water in and water out. It's based on TOTAL energy in that YOU supply, and TOTAL energy out. This includes any electric current, mechanical energy produced from utilizing the HHO, heat output from the reaction, and of course the water it's self.

In over unity you can not look at 1 single thing. There very complex system that do not operate in thermodynamic equilibrium.

Efficiency is a measure of LOSSES in a system. A system can still be over unity even at only 50% efficiency.

Perpetual motion is another lie. Batteries die, machines break down, and time deteriorates all things. NOTHING can run forever.

C.O.P. (co-efficiency of performance) is the only true way to rate over unity. Instead of counting total energy in vs. total energy out as in efficiency ratings, C.O.P. is total energy out vs. the total energy in that YOU YOURSELF supply.

If you supply 1/2 total energy input and the other 1/2 comes from the environment, you get a C.O.P. of 2. C.O.P. of 1 is unity and any house with a heat/AC pump connected to it is in fact an over unity system as most decent heat/AC pumps operate between 3-4 C.O.P..

[arkresearch]

E out /e IN= UO

(e in + e^)-e in =OU

Overunity is due to transformation , aquired energy from other domain than the original source

e in = energy source input
e^ = aquired energy from other domain
E out is the sum of such (OU)

for electromagnetics as a sample
H= I2 rT = (OU Other domain)

[questioneverything]

E out /e IN= UO

(e in + e^)-e in =OU

Overunity is due to transformation , aquired energy from other domain than the original source

e in = energy source input
e^ = aquired energy from other domain
E out is the sum of such (OU)

for electromagnetics as a sample
H= I2 rT = (OU Other domain)

I'm not very good at math, but thats pretty much it. YOU are the original supplier, and the evironment is the secondary. Anything YOU don't supply is extra that is transformed, or converted to another type of energy.

[markdansie]

@sushimotto
I am afraid you have me mixed up with Markscoffman, that is not me. I do not recall having any correspondence with you. I do not even know your involvement with this or what your role is or who you are?
I will stand corrected on one point and that I said overseas but I meant other European. (it was a couple of sources in Europe that I got my information from and the video)
I commend you on stating that it is not overunity, but in this latest video and a couple of previous ones you have portrayed it as self running.
As you have seen with the person who owns this forum and others like Sterling Allen's FREEENERGYNEWS they are claiming self running and major breakthrough. I understand these are not your words but it is a natural interpretation that anyone would put on seeing the video.
Your cells are very high quality product but I am not sure their efficiency is any more than some others that are out there.
I am a little confussed about if this is an open source project or not. From reading the German threads you do have detail about your cell and ignition modification. However I do have a couple of questions for you (assuming it is open sourced, if not no need to reply)
1. What other modifications did you do to the motor(valve timing, cam modifications, spark plug etc)?
2. Have you had the exhaust gas analysed and what was the results?
3. Were any other hydrocarbons present in the bubblier or cell.
I was not aware of any commercial arrangements you have with Chava or any other company or anyone else you may have met.  That is of course your own business and no one elses.
I do however congradulate you on your work.