Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric

[petar113507]

The books contained in "book package"
(Lemme know if the link goes down)
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=533MBGYE

The life of henry caverndesh - This guy was also interested in igniting water.  He discovered hydrogen, and all sorts of quirks about water.  This book has given me the beginning of some tangents to press further into his works. (I.E. Looking up more stuff about him)

A treatise on cemistry - Metals (part I & II)

Zinc production and history -- A book about 18th century uses, and refining techniques for zinc.  This book has given me a general idea on how to process zamak -- as well as some of the "crystal" forms of zinc.  I have not carefully looked twice, but have not found that they knew about pizeoelectric properties of the crystals in this book.

Powerme, can you throw out any tangents that relate to these crystals?  How did you learn how to "make the honey of different nectars" with these crystals?  What kind of book/publication can we find the information about lead sulfide/oxide crystals that you are talking about growing?  Did they know in "olden days" what the properties of the crystals were?(I.E.what would they call the effects of the crystals that we would be making?)  What kind of process are we making the crystals with? What did they call those processes?

I am looking for more tangents to research, to 'get ahead' in crystal production -- what aim we will be having with the leaden crystals.  Any clear processes, or instructions are much valued.

For instance -- after you mentioned "influencing", I knew I should become aquainted with all the information about the subject that I could.  (Of which, I am still looking for more, to make the ionizer/wind pump).  Any other processes, or key words in those processes that will assist on what is going on with the crystals (how they draw energy from the enviroment) -- what kind of energy they will be harvesting (I suspect, infared radiation?) -- how we will be rectifying both sides of the wave (in the crystal oscilation), ETC.

That is, unless I am putting the cart before the horse here.

Anything is greatly appreciated.
Thank you for all your help so far,
==Romo

[CompuTutor]

Currentlyy having problems editing/finding the editbutton on that post.  I'll see what I can do. 

==Romo

Yeah, the button says "Modify",
it is upper right next to "Quote"
and it disappears after way to short a period of time...

Sadly, that is by design,
and the time limit is set way to low !

[RAD-HHO]

Hey guys,
I finally got a chance to hook a scope to my piezo.  It's not as simple as it seems.  The piezo disc is part of the circuit.  The oscillator circuit looks to be sending the piezo disc a sawtooth wave @ 120 Hz.
When you hook the piezo disc to the circuit, it turns into a perfect sine wave @ 1.73 Mhz.  This is the frequency the manufacturer said it should be.  This might be a little tricky.

More  to do....

Rick

[RAD-HHO]

Added a 33uH inductor in series with the disc and dropped the frequency to about 1Mhz.  The interesting thing I noticed was the voltage jumped up to 206 volts! 

I tried driving the disc with a function generator.  I tried 120hz sine and square waves and I could not get anything out of the disc.  I also tried 20hz - 1.5Khz, and nothing got it going.   I did not try saw tooth wave, I dont have that function. 


Rick

[e2matrix]

RAD-HHO,  Thanks for your info and tests on this.  Very interesting results and not at all what I expected.  This is considerably different than what I thought based on the circuit I built many years ago. 

I think it would be great if we could get some input now from Power to Be on how to get the frequency up to the target 43-45 Khz.  If this is as different as it seems then maybe simply increasing the voltage may be a way to increase the frequency but I wouldn't want anyone to risk ruining their setup based on that assumption.  I've got a function generator that will do sawtooth so I'll try to get time to test that. 

  Also if the piezo is putting out 1.73 Mhz that is way above the 43 Khz.  How does this result in producing the apparent 30 Khz range we were told they run in?  I'm lost now...     I'm curious how you were able to read the frequency with the piezo in the circuit?  I think the electrical frequency across the piezo is not the actual frequency it vibrates at since 1.73 Mhz is way above ultrasonic frequency.  I'm guessing here but it sounds like we may need to raise that frequency to get a higher vibration output at the disk.