Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[TinselKoala]

@Mondrasek. Can I respectfully point out that the tennis ball tubes were in fact Webby1`s idea. My suggestion , as yet untried was tinplate , soldered together. The problem with tinplate is that it is not of course transparent.

My solution is to look on the Internet for suppliers of clear plastic tubes in nesting sizes. For this work I would prefer polycarbonate to acrylic.

http://www.jcdanczak.com/our_products/subcat_16.html
http://www.k-mac-plastics.net/polycarbonate-tubes.htm
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23791
http://www.carrierplastics.com/polycarbonate_tubes.html
http://www.interstateplastics.com/Clear-Polycarbonate-Tube-POLCE.php

I think that 2 thousand dollars would certainly be enough to buy a set of nesting polycarbonate tubes of the required length, wall thickness and intertube clearances. With quite a bit left over for machine shop expenses.

Somehow I still feel that my own credibility as a builder and a cooperative correspondent is still being questioned. Here is a build that I did entirely on my own dime in an effort to help Mondrasek out a couple of years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcPuKv9Z-XE

[neptune]

@TK.My post to you about doing your homework was not intended to be disrespectful. If I am honest, and I always try to be honest, I did not fully understand wayne`s post where he speaks of 15and 30 cubic inches of fluid at 640 PSI. It is just that you spoke about injecting hydraulic fluid or water into a ZED at 640 PSI. Wayne did not say that.
     The machine consists of a number of separate systems.
1.The ZEDs, which work at pressure of up to about 10PSI. These are mechanically linked to
2. A high pressure hydraulic system . So the ZEDs pump hydraulic fluid at high pressure into the accumulator. It does not tear itself apart, because from the accumulator, fluid is bled off to drive a hydraulic motor to drive an alternator. Also some fluid is used to drive rams which help to activate the transfer of water from one ZED to the other.
3. The only place we would find 640 PSI is in the hydraulic transmission system.
I stand by the points I made in my previous reply to you.

[mondrasek]

TK,

Yeah, that is funny.  But OUCH man!

You had a great French phrase I believe for it?  My "Epiphany" that is.  You used it over on the "Village of the Banned?"  Do you remember the one I am describing?  I had to look it up and I thought it was spot on.

Seriously...  Your build skills are excellent. 

I'll pay for the WD40 and maybe some of the acrylic (I'm not rich) if you have a machine shop to work in.  And if you are willing to give us all a new TK build (seriously, RA is soooooo 15 seconds ago).

Cheers.

Mike Ondrasek

PS. My original "gravity latches" negated any issues with the magnets making contact and maintaining attraction to the "JK" wires.  Plus they allowed for the magnets to travel TWICE as far down the drilled holes (in your build) once past 3 o'clock! 

All of which means nothing if you do the math...  So once again, I apologize to anyone who believed in that idea.

The one thing I learned from that experience is that TK can build.  And test properly.

[MileHigh]

TK:

Please look at my posting #1247 to LarryC.

I realize that the root for your statement comes from Wayne's comment:  "using 15 cubic inches @ 640psi to generate 30 cubic inches @ 640psi in the same time frame."

It's just not right.  We can't assume anything.  We can make a reasonable assumption that whatever the non-compressible fluid is pushing against is not returning a constant pressure.  So what is the force x displacement "pressure path" to end up with 15 cubic inches @ 640 psi?  We don't know.  Without knowing that we can't perform the P(x)dx integration where dx represents the infinitesimal displacement as we compress the fluid.  What is the effective area we are pushing with?   What is the effective area we are pushing against?

There is no energy content in 15 cubic inches of non-compressible fluid at 640 psi.  There are no valid units.   We are back to the same question.  How many joules of energy did it take to arrive at 15 cubic inches of non-compressible fluid at 640 psi?  We simply don't know.

Thought experiment:  You fill up a solid steel box with one-inch-thick walls with an interior that is 10 x 10 x 10 inches.   You close up the box with a one-inch-thick steel top that has a gasket and eliminate all the air and bolt it into place.  On one of the the walls of the box there is a tapped fine-pitched thread with a bolt inserted that terminates with a thumb wheel.

At the start the pressure of the non-compressible fluid is zero PSI.  Then you give the thumb wheel five clockwise turns and the end of the bolt slowly pushes it's way into the non-compressible fluid.

You end up with 1000 cubic inches of non-compressible fluid at 1000 psi.

Big deal, it means nothing.   It took very little energy to bring the non-compressible fluid up to 1000 psi.

MileHigh

[fletcher]

ATEOTD we are all interested in whether Mr Wayne has found a mechanical OU system that has the ability to self sustain itself [without loosing PE] & do external Work [Joules] - this is the same as saying that the Output Energy is greater than the Input energy in layman terms - off course all energy must be accounted for somehow.

Mr Wayne says he has competent engineers & advisers on his team - I have no doubt that most if not all of them are classically trained in physics & would have been scratching their collective heads to identify the apparent energy conundrum - they do have more information than the average thread follower & have probably narrowed down the 'suspect list'.

My initial thoughts still hold true to me - that if taken on face value that the dual ZED's work as described & that the system is OU, then I expect that a likely candidate for energy entering the system to balance the energy budget is from an ambient source.

I suspect that we would be looking at a type of heat pump or refrigerator analogue i.e. the air is compressed in the pods & due to compression the temp of the air increases - the liquid acts as a heat sink & the thermal energy is drawn away from the compressed air into the medium & ultimately into the surrounding ambient air around the machine - then when the pods are allowed to do work the compressed air expands & cools as per the ideal gas laws etc - thermal energy re-enters the system [heat flows from hot to cold regions] & the air coming off compression expands further giving augmented force amplification.

It seems like a classic heat pump scenario with adiabatic & isothermal phases where thermal energy does mechanical Work to my way of thoughts - ultimately a heat engine where the machine draws thermal energy from the environment & this is used to do Work.

Disclaimer: this is a hypothesis of operation to explain an anomalous energy gain in a self sustaining machine cited by others as factual.