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Overunity Machines Forum



Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

Started by mrwayne, April 10, 2011, 04:07:24 AM

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Cisco


Last Sunday in Post #1148, Wayne reported, "PhWest found a plastic bottle company that sold plastic bottles incrementally sized."
Neptune followed up with a request to PhWest for a ". . .link to the source of these incrementally sized plastic bottles. That on its own would facilitate more replications."  No response has been forthcoming.
PhWest, are you out there?

neptune

@Mondrasek. Can I respectfully point out that the tennis ball tubes were in fact Webby1`s idea. My suggestion , as yet untried was tinplate , soldered together. The problem with tinplate is that it is not of course transparent.

mondrasek

Quote from: neptune on August 11, 2012, 03:37:24 PM
@Mondrasek. Can I respectfully point out that the tennis ball tubes were in fact Webby1`s idea. My suggestion , as yet untried was tinplate , soldered together. The problem with tinplate is that it is not of course transparent.

Most definitely! Full credit for the tennis ball tube material solution goes to Webby!

M.

TinselKoala

Quote from: neptune on August 11, 2012, 07:07:59 AM
@Tk. You ask the question "If someone were to take a single one of your Zeds at resting state, and inject 15 cubic inches of hydraulic fluid or water at 640 PSI , will you really get 30 cubic inches at 640 PSI back out."
        The fact that you asked this question demonstrates very clearly that you have not invested the effort to understand even the basics of this system.

1. Hydraulic fluid is never injected into a ZED, only water, and during set up, air.
2.Whatever is injected into a Zed, the input pressure
is in the region of 10 PSI max. Any more will result in blown skirts.
3.The only place in the system we find hydraulic fluid at 640 PSI , is in the transmission system between the ZEDs and the generator. The transmission uses conventional hydraulic components.
Please do your homework.

Really? Did you not see MrWayne's answers to my question? Here they are again:

QuoteCurrently we are stroking 6 total inches in a stroke - and capturing 30 cubic inches of pressurized hydraulic fluid @ 640 psi
We stroke 3.7 times a minute.

And in another post:
QuoteYet I watch as some argue that using 15 cubic inches @ 640psi to generate 30 cubic inches @ 640psi in the same time frame - is not overunity - or not using the right words to describe - that we have 15 cubic inches extra - every stroke - 3.7 times a minute.

So what part of my homework am I not doing? You seem to be contradicting what MrWayne is saying in those two quotes. Please "educate" me. What am I missing? The claim seems to be very clear: you put in 15 cubic inches of hydraulic fluid at 640 psi and you "generate" 30 cubic inches at 640 psi. Is that NOT what MrWayne is saying in the quotes?

Please tell me then what he IS saying. Where can these pressure and flow readings be obtained in the system?

And perhaps more importantly.... what happens to all that generated hydraulic fluid, and why doesn't the machine tear itself apart?

If I am misunderstanding something it is because the explanations given have been inadequate, and include statements like those I have quoted above.

TinselKoala

Quote from: MileHigh on August 11, 2012, 12:33:55 PM
Meanwhile, the legitimate and fair question about work in vs. work out or average power in vs. average power out remains unanswered.  Some in "the flock" are clearly confused by these fundamental concepts.  Ironically, that is what this machine is supposed to be all about.

TK, if you ever were to visit Wayne, be sure to bring along a mechanic's stethoscope and listen in on the guts of this thing.  If you could record and run FFTs so much the better.

TK, it looks like you made a slip-up unless I am misunderstanding you.  "X cubic inches of an incompressible fluid at Y PSI" is actually a meaningless statement.  There is no energy stored in an incompressible fluid at a given pressure.  No comment from Mr. Wayne either.

You are misunderstanding me, evidently... because those pressures and volumes in my question came directly from MrWayne.
He said:
QuoteCurrently we are stroking 6 total inches in a stroke - and capturing 30 cubic inches of pressurized hydraulic fluid @ 640 psi
We stroke 3.7 times a minute.
And
QuoteYet I watch as some argue that using 15 cubic inches @ 640psi to generate 30 cubic inches @ 640psi in the same time frame - is not overunity - or not using the right words to describe - that we have 15 cubic inches extra - every stroke - 3.7 times a minute.

So I noted that the second statement seems like a hypothetical, and I asked if it was really the claim. How is that a slip-up?