Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[neptune]

@MT. I am pleased to see that you are experimenting. Can I just point out a common cause of confusion. People often use the word MODEL. And they, themselves know exactly what they mean. Unfortunately this word is ambiguous, in that it has multiple meanings. At least three are applicable here.
1. A mathematical model, where mathematics is used to describe the action.


2.A computer simulation


3. A real world replication of a real world machine often smaller than the original, but mimicking some or all of its actions.


Some people talk of a physical model, but this could be the same as 3 above , or could be a theoretical proof base on Physics. So may I suggest that we use the term "Real World Model" when we mean 3 above. So tell us please exactly what type of model you are describing.

[TinselKoala]

I posted last week that a square build was in progress and I did have some sheet stock and made a few practice glue joints. Testing those joints proved they wouldn't hold up long and I received a few PMs with concern for binding in the square config. Back to the board... I also checked all the links for acrylic sources and could not come up with the right sizes to build consistent .125 spacing and wall thickness; until I found eplastics.

I did a mill test yesterday to see how well I could cut consistent grooves in plastic and the results were quite good for a first attempt so... This morning I ordered material for a 4.25 x 12 ( 16" to 24" with the extensions ), 3 layer model. ( no where near $2000 )

Wish I'd started sooner, by the time I'm finished the official demonstrator and documentation will probably be out but I just couldn't wait...

None of the tube suppliers I listed a few days ago would suit? Sorry.

http://www.jcdanczak.com/our_products/subcat_16.html
http://www.k-mac-plastics.net/polycarbonate-tubes.htm
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/item.aspx?itemid=23791
http://www.carrierplastics.com/polycarbonate_tubes.html
http://www.interstateplastics.com/Clear-Polycarbonate-Tube-POLCE.php


You don't say whether you are working in acrylic or polycarbonate. Proper tool speeds and feeds, cutting angles, and lubrication/cooling are critical for success with plastics.
Normal twist drills will usually crack acrylics when coming out the back side. Special drills with steeper point angles are available for drilling plastics. A set in the usual fractional sizes is well worth the investment and can usually be obtained from the plastic supply houses or tool speciality shops.
I buy WD-40 by the gallon and use it for coolant-lube when cutting acrylic (plexiglas, acrylite, other brand names.) Kerosene is also recommended but I don't like the smell. Water works fine for polycarbonate.
The worst thing you can do is to use too fast speeds and feeds, overheating the tool. You won't know you've ruined a workpiece until... you've ruined it.
Make sure your tools are _sharp_, especially your thread-cutting taps,  and with the proper angles.

Good luck with your build.. I'm sure we'd all like to see some "work in progress" pix !!

(ETA: I see that you did mention acrylic. This would not have been my choice, because of its brittleness and shatterability. It is a slight bit easier to machine than polycarbonate, but in the long run the polycarbonate would be more durable, I think. But carry on.... do get some sharp-point drill bits if you are going to be drilling holes in the acrylic.)

[TinselKoala]

Tk,

I was not referring to your question of input and output - on the Energy push.

Honestly - i do not yet understand your question.

If you were asking Larry - please remember he is comparing Standard buoyancy to ours.

(snip)


If you are able to ask your question in layman's terms - I will definitely answer.

Thank you for your patience

Wayne Travis

Well... that's fair enough, because honestly, I don't yet understand your explanations, either.

So...let's try it like this.

Do you have a single Zed, that shows the effect, the gain, the overunity, by lifting a known weight a certain distance, or providing a known volume output of liquid at a known pressure?
(This can be answered YES, or NO.)
If NO... then stop, because we have hit a contradiction: I think that earlier you (or someone) said that you did.

If the answer is YES.... then, does it start out,  motionless, at a position with pressures and volumes known, and wind back up at that same position, with the same pressures and volumes?
(Another YES or NO answer can be given.)
If NO... then stop, because we have hit a contradiction: we have not yet completed a CYCLE.

If the answer is YES.... then, what does it take to start it up and make it lift that known weight that certain distance, to the top of the cycle?

The answer to this last one I expect to be something like "We need to push down (or in) on a hydraulic ram" or "We inject a volume of liquid at a pressure" or something like that. Very simple.

OK, I have tried to make it easy for you to understand my questions so far. Will you please try to make it easy for me to understand your answers?

Once I understand the answers to this part, I might be able to understand the rest. You have to cut me a little slack, though... I am straitjacketed by my education and it takes me a little while to wriggle out of what I "think" I already know.

[fletcher]

To be clear:

It has been repeated here over and over, my purpose is to help others replicate our system.

We capture a natural force - once believed "conservative" gravity - it is a tricky process - and it confuses many.

Probably why it is not in the text books already.

Yet - Our physics are solid as a rock - and yes they come from those text books - and every replication proves it.

Wayne Travis

Thanks Wayne for the additional information.

Also to be clear - you & your team have taken the position that gravity is not conservative which allows for net work/load output capacity ?

My question is a rather obvious one I'm afraid.

Can the Single or Dual ZED configuration operate as you propose outside a gravity field ?

For example, by creating an artificial ersatz gravity differential thru the use of a rotational environment & inertia i.e. centrifugal forces ?

This is the constant angular velocity spinning space station analogy.

The implications being, if the answer is yes, that if an artificial gravity can be substituted for real gravity differential/field then Cf's/Cp's will also be viewed by you as non conservative forces by deduction.

This would mean IINM that the Travis Effect is NOT a gravity/buoyancy effect but a differential-field/buoyancy effect that can be used to create an engine to do Work because the TE mechanics allow for non conservative force generation ?

If the answer is no, then an engine based on the TE will not work in space or horizontally & only in a gravity field ?

I hope that makes sense.

P.S. I'm interested to hear if your engineers have the same explanation as you or a different one, & if so, what is theirs ?

[wildew]

@TK - Thanks for the comments on lubricants for the acrylic, well noted. I'm hoping my machining needs will be limited to some milling , a few holes in thicker stock, and one tapped hole in each of the plates. The mill test I did yesterday was in a piece of ABS ( I think, a softer, colored piece ) so I will do a practice cut or 2 in the sample set I ordered for testing.

A note on the sizes: A few sites offer .128 wall tubing in .250 steps up to 4.5 inch but if I'm figuring it right those sizes won't work in all all places. With a +- .005 tolerance it's even likely that a 4.250 piece will not slip over a 4.000 piece.
Here are the OD sizes I did order, all in .125 wall. They should be close to .125 spacing ( which is more than I'd like ).
4.375 - 4.000 - 3.875 - 3.500 - 3.125 - 2.750. I'm sure I didn't think it through well enough, we'll see if I'm up to it...

Dale