Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[fletcher]

Amolago .. the Wayne & Red Show is over for a while which you will understand why if you read the context of the recent back posts.


@All ..

I want to go on record as saying that I have the greatest admiration for TK, in particular, but also respect for the other skeptics that posted in this thread & those that were moderated out on Wayne’s request, so they couldn't post â€" while it was not always pretty they were doing their jobs & following their consciences but they apparently were too immalleable a foil for Wayne to use - few have done more for so long than TK to analyse & debunk claims of either theory or builds, in so many areas of free energy investigation - he clearly has more intelligence, experience & knowledge, & building talent, in multifaceted disciplines, than most of us I'll wager - he also is quite right to dig for the meat & ask for proof of principle in light of extraordinary claims, as were the other skeptics - this doggedness comes about to some degree from a skeptic becoming desensitized & jaundiced from long term exposure to litany of claimants, human ego's & motivations only guessed at.

As a wise, if not somewhat sarcastic sage said in & about this thread, paraphrased, that it would remain a recriminating testimony & record, & so it will be for some â€" hindsight is 20/20.

On that note I do not have any idea why Wayne & some of his sanctum have frequented forums - from my perspective there was an element of skeptic baiting, possibly for their own hubris & amusement - one critic mused in this thread that the skeptics were 'brilliant ... in their insolence' IIRC & recently ironically challenged them as ‘not worth their salt to be called skeptics’ if they couldn't figure it out & refute the claimants [without a POP device produced I might add] â€" very strange indeed - IMO, the claimant side has been at times disingenuous & they have given their reasons - it seems to me that magicians are not the only ones skilled in deflection or omission & have cards up sleeves â€" Blaize Pascal might well roll in his grave.

These Are My Opinions.

[see3d]

Amolago .. the Wayne & Red Show is over for a while which you will understand why if you read the context of the recent back posts.


@All ..

I want to go on record as saying that I have the greatest admiration for TK, in particular, but also respect for  the other skeptics that posted in this thread & those that were moderated out on Wayne’s request, so they couldn't post â€" while it was not always pretty they were doing their jobs & following their consciences but they apparently were too immalleable a foil for Wayne to use - few have done more for so long than TK to analyse & debunk claims of either theory or builds, in so many areas of free energy investigation - he clearly has more intelligence, experience & knowledge, in multifaceted disciplines, than most of us I'll wager - he also is quite right to dig for the meat & ask for proof of principle in light of extraordinary claims, as were the other skeptics - this doggedness comes about to some degree from a skeptic becoming desensitized & jaundiced from long term exposure to litany of claimants, human ego's & motivations only guessed at.

As a wise, if not somewhat sarcastic sage said in & about this thread, paraphrased, that it would remain a recriminating testimony & record, & so it will be for some â€" hindsight is 20/20.

On that note I do not have any idea why Wayne & some of his sanctum have frequented forums - from my perspective there was an element of skeptic baiting, possibly for their own hubris & amusement - one critic mused in this thread that the skeptics were 'brilliant ... in their insolence' IIRC & recently ironically challenged them as ‘not worth their salt to be called skeptics’ if they couldn't figure it out & refute the claimants [without a POP device produced I might add] â€" very strange indeed - IMO, the claimant side has been at times disingenuous & they have given their reasons - it seems to me that magicians are not the only ones skilled in deflection or omission & have cards up sleeves â€" Blaize Pascal might well roll in his grave.

These Are My Opinions.

I have been with this thread a long time.  In my understanding, Wayne came here to share the principles of his ZED device that he believes is a free energy device and challenged members to build it and prove it for themselves.  He did not offer blueprints for proof of concept models, but offered to pay some costs of replicated ZEDs.  I believe that his challenge was sincere and he followed through with his offer. 

I believe it was disingenuous for the skeptics to hinder those who were making an effort to understand and replicate a ZED.  Perhaps their past experience with scam artists who were trolling for money made them behave BADLY.  Admittedly some skeptics showed up late, and were not aware of the context of the thread and were probably influenced by the harsh temperaments of others. 

I set for myself a goal of understanding the ZED from the ground up by writing a static simulator before attempting a build.  I am doing this at some cost to myself in time taken away from other projects.  My belief that the fastest way to the truth THAT ALL CAN ACCEPT was demonstrating a physics based simulator model that matched the results of experiments.  Then use the simulator to extrapolate the boundaries of operation.  This is science.  This is how it is done. 

Taking one thought experiment case and jumping to a final conclusion about O/U does not explain the operation of the ZED.  The ZED has some interesting qualities.  Understanding it may provide for ideas and applications not even imagined due to the narrow context that some skeptics have taken and how they have bullied others -- causing a backlash of course. 

There are enough committed members working on theory, simulations, spreadsheets, and physical devices to arrive at a common understanding of how a ZED works in due course.  I do get frustrated when those efforts are hampered by some skeptics -- who should be helping these efforts instead. 

This is the only thread and device on O/U dot com that I have taken an interest in.  I am not aware of the contributions of the skeptics to bust scams on other threads.  I make my judgments of their behavior on this thread only.

~Dennis

[Red_Sunset]

I have been with this thread a long time.  In my understanding, Wayne came here to share the principles of his ZED device that he believes is a free energy device and challenged members to build it and prove it for themselves.  He did not offer blueprints for proof of concept models, but offered to pay some costs of replicated ZEDs.  I believe that his challenge was sincere and he followed through with his offer. 

I believe it was disingenuous for the skeptics to hinder those who were making an effort to understand and replicate a ZED.  Perhaps their past experience with scam artists who were trolling for money made them behave BADLY.  Admittedly some skeptics showed up late, and were not aware of the context of the thread and were probably influenced by the harsh temperaments of others. 

I set for myself a goal of understanding the ZED from the ground up by writing a static simulator before attempting a build.  I am doing this at some cost to myself in time taken away from other projects.  My belief that the fastest way to the truth THAT ALL CAN ACCEPT was demonstrating a physics based simulator model that matched the results of experiments.  Then use the simulator to extrapolate the boundaries of operation.  This is science.  This is how it is done. 

Taking one thought experiment case and jumping to a final conclusion about O/U does not explain the operation of the ZED.  The ZED has some interesting qualities.  Understanding it may provide for ideas and applications not even imagined due to the narrow context that some skeptics have taken and how they have bullied others -- causing a backlash of course. 

There are enough committed members working on theory, simulations, spreadsheets, and physical devices to arrive at a common understanding of how a ZED works in due course.  I do get frustrated when those efforts are hampered by some skeptics -- who should be helping these efforts instead. 

This is the only thread and device on O/U dot com that I have taken an interest in.  I am not aware of the contributions of the skeptics to bust scams on other threads.  I make my judgments of their behavior on this thread only.

~Dennis

Whoowh

[fletcher]

All valid comments & observations Dennis, from one perspective - you full well know I support your approach as the logical & sensible first step - IMO we were primed to look in this direction.

And IF it should turn out that a ZED is not extraordinary - that it is underunity - and that two ZED's in isolation are still underunity [as the skeptics have been saying] but when & how they are connected creates torque ... well, that would be another direction.

JMO's.

[neptune]

Can I point out that there may be a problem in building a ZED that uses two liquids instead of air and water.It is my belief that the Zed works because of the difference in density between air and water. If we used a mineral oil in place of air, the problem is that the densities of oil and water are closer than the densities of water and air. Wayne suggested that if we replaced the water with mercury, and replaced the air with water, the COP would increase by a factor of 13. So it seems to me that good results demand two fluids of widely different densities.
   In the unlikely event of anyone having access to mercury, read up on the dangers of mercury vapour. You could end up as mad as a hatter.[ google the origin of "mad as a hatter"]