Hydro Differential pressure exchange over unity system.

[TinselKoala]

TinselKoala,
Are you so desperate or so disappointed or so disenfranchised, to stoop to such a low level where even the street dogs do not want to tread !!
This is very disgusting & disappointing behavior !!  I held you in higher esteem before today.

And yet you do not dispute any of my points.

The spreadsheet from LarryC does not consider motion distances, only forces, right? Or wrong?

The 960 percent claimed by Mister Wayne is a FORCE ratio... isn't it? Nowhere has there been any consideration in Mister Wayne's reported numbers of WORK, only LIFT FORCE.

You think it's disgusting and disappointing behavior for me to point out in my clever way that a lever can be as "efficient" as one likes using Mister Wayne's definition of efficiency..... and to point out that it's cynical and wrong for him to involve a bunch of innocent kids in his fantasy and folly? ...... But you don't think there is anything wrong with THIS set of statements collected by powercat. I laugh at you and your "disgust and disappointment" and point out only that your disgust is misplaced and your disappointment is not due to any of MY actions, but rather due to the INACTION of your hero Mister Wayne:

Quote from: mrwayne on May 28, 2012, 03:20:19 PM
    I always keep my word, and I tell the truth even when it hurts

    Quote from: mrwayne on May 25, 2012, 04:14:10 PM
    I promise, you who wish open sourcing will not be disappointed.

    Quote from: mrwayne on June 02, 2012, 06:47:33 AM
    We will be releasing to scientific journals and presenting the Data professionally, when Marks Group reccomends.
    I look forward to the longevity runs as well, Next weekend is when we have the help to set up the new
    plc equipment and software.

    Quote from: mrwayne on June 10, 2012, 04:40:37 AM
    Mark Dansie has assembled the team for our Extended runs - critical review

    Quote from: mrwayne on June 24, 2012, 03:40:11 PM
    We will run our pre test runs starting Monday - after we are sure we do not have new clogs
    - I call Mark and he will come - the 28 is still our goal.

    Quote from: mrwayne on June 27, 2012, 05:16:19 AM
    Mark will come as soon as I ask - he is ready too.But I have not asked him to come yet, I might after tommorrows Run.

    Quote from: mrwayne on June 30, 2012, 02:27:28 PM
    We began running pretrial tests - prior to Mark Dansie's return - I had very much hoped to be done by Wednesday.

    Quote from: mrwayne on July 27, 2012, 03:02:09 PM
    After this Validation testing and presentation - we will be setting down to a coalition of teams
    world wide to bring this technology to the world

    Quote from: mrwayne on August 13, 2012, 02:55:02 PM
    Mark has set his return for the week of the 20th.

    Quote from: mrwayne on August 16, 2012, 03:41:48 PM
    We are solving current issues for Mark and the rest of the team's next visit

    Quote from: mrwayne on August 25, 2012, 02:32:40 PM
    No, I am not sharing run Data with aynone, until we have the system ready to be released

    Quote from: mrwayne on August 25, 2012, 10:43:58 PM
    Marks third return was delayed because our "new" system would not charge the accumulator
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    Quote from: markdansie on August 27, 2012, 05:05:15 AM
    I still have not seen the two day demo yet , but I never put a time frame on this.
    However as with all things as time carries on the confidence level always diminishes.
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    Quote from: mrwayne on August 29, 2012, 07:14:45 PM
    Our OU is not and has not been the question - simple phisics can show it over and over

    Quote from: mrwayne on September 28, 2012, 02:42:16 PM
    p.s. our optimized system is over 600% efficient.

    Quote from: mrwayne on September 28, 2012, 05:11:26 PM
    It will all begin in a short time - the validation is just around the corner - I am relieved and excited.

    Quote from: mrwayne on October 1 on his web site
    We expect to be finished by the end of the week - assuming all goes semi well (parts delivery)
    and we will be ready for the Validation!

    Quote from: mrwayne on October 15 on his web site
    Of course this means we will run a couple days for ourselves before we turn it over to the validation team
    - I have been in clear and constant communication with them.

    Quote from: mrwayne on October 29 on his web site
    I spoke with Mark this morning regarding time lines, and travel arrangements
    - we have selected a prevalidation member to come this weekend

    Quote from: mrwayne on November 6 on his web site
    Do you feel a sense of urgency in our Development?
    Have you waited long enough, are you ready to be done with all of the improvements and obstacles,
    are you ready for the internal Validation, and the external validation?
    Me too.

And I'll point out that today is the 11th of November and we still haven't heard anything from Mister Wayne that indicates that independent testing and evaluation is underway or even is going to start soon.  Does that disgust and disappoint you? It does me.
Instead... I invite you, Red, to summarize Mister Wayne's latest statement for us. Please include only those items that talk about his progress towards making a self-running machine, how it is to be measured, and what its output to input work ratio is.

[powercat]

Red and Wayne keep offering promising words and delivering little that is scientifically factual,
Red keeps sounding like hes preaching the alternative gospel of OU and the repetitive rhetoric goes on and on and on,
unlike mrwaynes device that so far has shown no clear overunity in the real world.
Wayne is a liar and cannot be trusted on his word, he fails to produce any clear evidence apart from words,
he has had so much time to have his device verified, if he was a truly honest man he would not have made an announcement until he was prepared to follow it through, but of course that doesn't sound good to investors who want to hear Promising news. 
How many more times will he keep breaking his word and promising things he can't deliver. This is very disgusting & disappointing behavior

[minnie]

Hi,
   to run my house I use a 10kw diesel which is just about up to the job, how big, physically, would a ZED machine have to be to
meet my needs?
  As far as I can see practically all the energy we use is of nuclear origin,coal,oil,wind and water are all sun-powered.Let's have a
few suggestions of any alternative form of energy.
                                                                                  John.

[LarryC]

If the pod and the riser aren't connected at the top (the drawing shows an air gap here) then the upward force due to pressure on the underside of the top of the riser, acting upward (psi x area of riser surface, acting upwards) .... is also acting _downward_ on the horizontal surface of the pod, in proportion to its surface area (psi x area of pod surface, acting downwards). Isn't it?

Yes it is. Good Question.

Instead of Archimedes calculation, let's calculate using the following.

Pod lift = Bottom PSI X Si - Top PSI X SI
Pod lift = (3.72 X 706.858) - (2.42 X 706.858)
918.63 = 2628.31 - 1709.68

I did these calculations on the spreadsheet to use it's internal precision for accuracy, so the numbers would calculate slightly different on a hand calculator.

So the answers are the same.

I agree this is only force. I previously showed the force over distance calculations in my System Rise Calculator and how that starting force can be maintained over the lift distance, when the proper amount of water is added between the Pod and the Pod retainer. It was very complex and the skeptics excuses then were that we can't trust these calculators because it could have mistakes or hidden manipulations.

This is a simple pod and 1 riser with no Visual Basic code and can be understood by all. More to come.

So I'll ask again 'Can anyone show why the logic used to get that result is wrong?'

Regards, Larry

[TinselKoala]

Hi,
   to run my house I use a 10kw diesel which is just about up to the job, how big, physically, would a ZED machine have to be to
meet my needs?
  As far as I can see practically all the energy we use is of nuclear origin,coal,oil,wind and water are all sun-powered.Let's have a
few suggestions of any alternative form of energy.
                                                                                  John.

Hi minnie
The only Wattage output figures we have ever heard or seen from Mister Wayne is the claim of, what was it.... 36 Watts excess power over that required to run the machine. This was for the version shown in the slide show on the Hydro website. That one looked to me like it was about ten feet tall and occupied floor space about like two standard parking places. Say a small, 2-car garage in footprint and 10 feet tall vertically, for 36 Watts usable output (for less than four hours  before it stops and has to be repaired or recharged somehow).

Of course, he is now achieving 960 percent, so presumably now that same volume will "generate" around 9.6 x 36 or nearly 350 Watts.
So to achieve the same power level as your 10 kW Diesel genset, you might need to build another barn, to house your 30 dual Zed systems. Plus if you want continuous power, you'll need several (ten or twenty) spare systems since they only self-run for less than four hours each; you'll need to do some hot-swapping. Probably need one or two fulltime technicians to manage things.

I really hope the neighbors don't complain about the noise.

The good news is that you can sell them your excess power during your own off-peak demand periods. Right?