Car Running on Water to be Released May 4th at 10pm EST (USA)

[ramset]

Well Mr. Electris Goose
I think I actually do like you...........
And if you can get this idea to manifest in my Burner head of my furnace .......
I could actually learn to "love" you!!

Running different "soups through my engine [FI Diesel]without the benifit of "do this its good".,Is a little to dicey for my "budget" {this does all sound "pantone-esk]

But playing with a burner head and some "emulsifiers"  with a lasor therm
Till I get the right "recipe" that's doable !
{provided I don't go Abnormaly "Toxic" with emission }

This is all starting to sound very familiar ? Didn't some fellow from India get  a 90 -10 ratio [water to  fuel]running on some secret sause mix [patented]?
Part of The Trick being he got it to stay in solution !

your sudden "Benevolent" mood is greatly appreciated!

I hope you don't wake up "Cranky" tommorow!
Your friend
Chet

[OscarMeyer]

@CHET:

You had it when you said Goose’s advice sounded very similar to Pantone.  It is exactly what Pantone is doing (bubbling air/exhaust gasses through the fuel) MINUS the reactor.  This is how Pantone was able to run a 4 stroke engine on raw crude oil.  If you guys followed Pantone’s free plans, you could run your cars off of raw crude oil just like Paul did.  Why just gasoline?  Cut out the middle man.  Why do you think Pantone was harassed so much in the U.S.?  Because the crooked major oil companies in the U.S. saw that Paul Pantone could make it possible for people to cut them out of the loop and render their refineries useless.  They need for you to need them.  They don’t want you to be able to refine your own fuel as you drive.

Once you are running your cars off of raw crude oil, you can eventually phase out ALL of the U.S. gasoline refineries who are screwing us all as they gouge us without any government protection like the lie Obama told to get elected where he promised windfall profit taxes he said he would impose on the U.S. oil companies that he pussied out of. 

Now the biggest challenge will be buying raw crude oil from oil producing countries.  I do not know if this is or is NOT possible.  If it is NOT possible, then this would be something to run by presidential candidates (making it legal for us to buy direct from oil producing countries which will make them compete for our business again) in our upcoming 2012 elections.  I will vote for ANY (and I mean ANY) candidate who would enable people using this kind of technology to buy directly from ANY crude oil vendor.  If they want our votes, they will at least consider it.

This will make fuel more affordable and less polluting at the same time.  Paul Pantone gives away the plans and permission to build one unit per individual.  It would be a start at least.

In a prior post I stated that we needed oil but this was just a poor attempt at reverse psychology.  I apologize for this. 

Oscar

[ElectricGoose]

your sudden "Benevolent" mood is greatly appreciated!

I hope you don't wake up "Cranky" tommorow!
Your friend
Chet

Chet

OK..its been a tough day but I have come home and I have a couple single malts under the belt plus a nice 78 Sangiovese....right now my benovolence knows no bounds so hang on to your hat.

My first wish is that 'you' (everyone) question everything.  This is a good thing.  Extremes are destructive in that, on one end you have the guru followers who simply believe what looks believable and on the end you have those who believe nothing (new) is possible.  I ask that you not believe what I (or anyone else) has to say carte blanche, BUT if it seems MILDLY feasable, entertain it long enough so as to test it yourself and prove to YOURSELF what the TRUTH is by EVIDENCE.  This is how I have conducted scientific experiments.  If you are honest and humble with your approach, the truth will be made self evident and eventually lead you to the answers you seek.

Now that I have stated this....lets get down to making some fuel.

Chet (and everyone)... you dont need raw heavy unrefined crude oil in order to make fuel emulsion.   Anything as 'light' as waste frying canola (vegatable) oil will do the trick.  Once you have a recipe down pat, you are only limited by your creativity.  Large and small fast food places PAY waste haulers to remove there old oil.  If you beffriend a local, hamburger joint with chip fryer, there is nothing that will stop you from taking a couple drums a week for a case of beer.

Think of OIL as the positive pole of the battery and the water as the negative.  The further these two are apart the better.  I mean by this, that the HEAVIER the oil, the more bang for your explosive buck.  Strictly speaking you can make a fuel emulsion with very thin oils, however the explosive 'expansive' power is less.

OK...now back to emulsifiers.  The only problem with an emulsion (end product water oil fuel combined) is that if you dont combine it properly it will start to separate in the fuel tank before it eventually gets to the engine.  You can get around this TWO ways.

1)  Have the Oil and water in separate tanks and combine them with a simple mixer JUST PRIOR to combustion.
2)  Prepare the fuel mix in a more stable manner where the shelf life is assured.

YOU are the experimenter and how you want to go about it is up to you.

IF you use an organic emulsifier Chet, you will have no worries of toxic emissions and in fact with the water combination you will virtually have no nitrous toxins to speak of normally associated with diesel or heavy oil fuels.

The ONLY MINOR changes you MIGHT have to make to a diesel system for emulsion fuel is  in the fuel pump.  Some like a certain viscosity or wont tolerate water.  I dont know ALL the systems and therefore can't say which will be ok on which for certainty.  Additionally...most diesel fuel systems have a in line water removal filter and this can be done away with.

Now about Gasoline bubblers - -

[ElectricGoose]

Gasoline bubblers are VERY simple.  If you have an old weed whacker, lawn mower or generator, I suggest you start small and work up.  A crappy vehicle is fine also.

I have already explained what you need to do.  As 'the One' has pointed out, it is Pantonish without the reactor.  Quite frankly, all that buggering around with the reactor really doesnt do a lot in my opinion when the majority of fuel efficiency is accomplished by water evap injection and fuming.

Normally, a engine running too lean would be far too HOT and this would lead to all sorts of issues.  However, with the introduction of the water vapor, not only do you 'cool' the burn but this has an anti detonant effect, creates higher compression and increases torque a tremeondous %. 

I suggest you read up on the wikepedia info regarding 'standard' water injected engines, (mainly used in F1 aircraft such as the Red Bull Air Race).  This will give you and understanding of what what water vapor accomplishes inside the combustion cylinder.

OK....hop to it....theres savings to be made!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engines)

[evolvingape]

Well now Mr Goose... how nice of you to join the party! 

Two excellent posts there so I thought I would chime in too if you don't mind...

This might interest you:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10572.0

So we do not need to access the crude oil directly from the pumpers, it is all around us. This new plastic into oil technology combined with what your talking about could very well provide the bridge technology we need to utilise all the ICE's in current use.

The link you posted about water injection into engines made me smile so I have reproduced my favourite paragraph below:

“Water injection has been used in both reciprocating and turbine aircraft engines. When used in a turbine engine, the effects are similar, except that preventing detonation is not the primary goal. Water is normally injected either at the compressor inlet or in the diffuser just before the combustion chambers. Adding water increases the mass being accelerated out of the engine, increasing thrust, but it also serves to cool the turbines. Since temperature is normally the limiting factor in turbine engine performance at low altitudes, the cooling effect allows the engines to be run at a higher RPM with more fuel injected and more thrust created without overheating.[3] The drawback of the system is that injecting water quenches the flame in the combustion chambers somewhat, as there is no way to cool the engine parts without cooling the flame accidentally. This leads to unburned fuel out the exhaust and a characteristic trail of black smoke.”

As you probably know I am a turbine man and have written extensively about them recently. The two key posts to pay attention too are these:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10274.0

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10451.0

These are important in regard to that paragraph because we can see that we now have a way of using water injection in a boundary layer turbine that increases torque on the shaft (not thrust) and at the same time cools the components of the turbine.

We also do not suffer the drawback of cooling the flame causing fuel to be incompletely burnt, and can also cool the combustion chamber separately because I have removed it from the turbine.

So you now have all the knowledge you need to build your own water injection, HHO detonation, rotary turbine system. Turbines are not ICE's and perform a different function.

What they do very well is maintain a very high constant torque, this will allow them to be the perfect engine for powering a constant speed PMA and provide what we need for converting water fuel to electricity in an electric vehicle.

When we consider that electrolysis is still very inefficient and is a fledgeling technology then large improvements will be made in the future. I find all this very exciting.

I sometimes wonder to myself how many of you realise what I have given you, the silence indicates I think that quite a lot of you do, which is good

RM