PhysicsProf Steven E. Jones circuit shows 8x overunity ?

[DrStiffler]

@Jouleseeker
I would agree, history is littered with persons having dreams of grandeur and an overwhelming sense of self-importance but the result of their efforts usually evaporates into thin air. Thus we could say any technology no matter how grand which is not utilized by the masses is basically useless and of benefit to very few. I believe our future has little room for people of this character who place their needs first, are motivated by profit and recognition, and it is an antiquated concept I think our great, great grandchildren will find quite amusing. I think many people have a sense that this experiment we call the "American Dream" has run its course and proven to be unsustainable as it should be obvious no system based solely on consumption, continuous growth and greed is sustainable.
Personally I have a great deal of respect for persons who are selfless, who openly give all their knowledge to others in spite of the criticism they usually recieve for doing so. Keep up the good work
Regards
AC

I always thought the definition of the American Dream was the ability to work for something and gain in return, not to have it all handed to you, can not understand where incentive and motivation would ever come from if you were assured of a few taking care of the masses.

But this is a political difference and not a science difference. You have a right to you view and I to mine, although it is questionable and uninformed that you feel you can speak of my motivations.

[CLaNZeR]

@All -- attached is a photo of our budding physicist and her mother...

Congrats to the family addition that end !!

Also while busy cutting out the Modular Rig Systems I had a good mate Harv who visits me from abroad every year.
I had all the parts for the replication and let Harv have a go at putting the circuit together and doing some tests.

We only tried 3 configurations/variances in the position of the 10K pot on the LED load, but here are the results so far.

http://www.overunity.org.uk/showthread.php?2210-Replication-of-Dr....

We know that there are multiple variances between the two 10K pots, one on the input and one on the output, but due to time restraints we just chose 3 different ones and it was a quick knock up.

Not being able to plot the energy in realtime using the maths function on the scope slowed us down alot as we had to manually plot each of the configurations.

Cheers

Sean.

[JouleSeeker]

  Thanks for the discussion.  Must say I personally resonate more with the views of AC.

they both look a picture of health - the bonding starts here!

the little one may spend of a lot of her early hours sleeping, but i bet she's already dreaming of things like quarks, electron affinity and fun stuff which she will eventually pioneer 

No doubt!  Cute ain't she?  smart little cuss...

I'm using at the moment a green LED, Jameco 333542.  I decided to connect this simply to a cap, in series with a 1Mohm variable resistor -- this is the "control expt" -- and compare the green glow with what I get from the xee2 circuit, with 21ohms in series with the green LED.  True, the comparisons are by EYE, so this is just an indication -- not a quantitative result.
@2.3 volts in the control circuit, I get much the same glow intensity per my eye as in the Xee2-primed circuit (I've modified it a bit).  R-control was found to be 24.8Kohms for this condition, and the Power drawn in the control circuit is 54 uW... whereas the power drawn in the X2 circuit is about 5 uW, so about a factor of ten LESS than the control circuit.

  Now, we'd like to get a quantitative measure of the total output power.  Rather than building "my own" calorimeter based on heat rise in a single (output) resistor as discussed above, I've been thinking for months of dropping the whole circuit into a sensitive calorimeter and measuring the TOTAL heat output.  With Pinput from a cap.  Easy...?? 

Yesterday, I finally got word back from a retired Professor/friend, who is expert in calorimetry and who has access to top-notch calorimeters...  and he is somewhat FAVORABLE to doing the experiment I've proposed (on a few DUT's), but would want to talk first.... so, wish me luck...

    Unfortunately, he is traveling right now in Europe (which is why I've had trouble reaching him), and he'll be back in a FEW WEEKS...

You see, the work we've been doing lately leads to a few DUT's that I'd like to drop into the CM for evaluating the total Poutput. 

And I WELCOME a few more devices to test. 
HERE we have a contest that most will probably agree to -- and another 100-buck incentive (sorry, I'm not rich) to the device that gives the BEST n = Pout/Pin, with Pout = total Pout measured in the calorimeter, and Pin by a COMMON capacitor for the input. This X-contest named after my smart g-daughter (here name starts with X).
  The prize jumps to $300 bucks if you get Pout>Pin with your device, plus lots of cheers from the public...  (I also must practically guarantee a lot of derision and headaches from the globalist-elitists, whatever you want to call them, but there is a good sized community here that will help get the device out to humanity...)

   Note that once I calibrate the input Cap, I propose to use that same CapIn for all DUT's tested (for ease and consistency -- see what I mean?).

   Here's my plan, and I welcome comment:

1.  Control experiment -- also to calibrate the energy in the physical capacitor =
   CapIn + R + LED, as described above.
I charge the cap, drop the control circuit (CC) into the Calorimeter (CM) and let it drain the cap, measuring the total Pinput...    Hmmm...The LED turns off at a certain voltage...  I may therefore simplify the above and go with:
   CapIn + R, no LED, and just let the Cap drain to ~ zero volts.  At the few-mV level, the energy left in the cap is negligible... 
    E = 1/2 CV**2...  and that equation should give an energy comparable to that measured in the calorimeter CM... 
   This is our check on the analysis system.

2.  Next, we drop the DUT into the CM and let 'er run, and measure the TOTAL Poutput...

3.  Problem:  how to turn the DUT on and off INSIDE the calorimeter.  I welcome comments on that!  Ideally, we charge the cap to a fixed voltage for a given DUT, then turn it on (easy enough) and turn it OFF just before the LED would go "off"... or just let the LED go off, and let the system slowly drain the cap anyway (no OU for that last part, no doubt).   A means to turn OFF the DUT would be great, and I welcome ideas... (perhaps a Zener would do the trick, but we don't want to mess up the DUT).

I'm sure some will predict Poutput = Pinput in such a system, but that's what we determine via Experiment only. 
(But -- pls let me know why you think the DUT will not show OU in a calorimeter, if that's what you think.)


Ah, more fun!  finally getting to the nitty gritty (use of a calorimeter as I and others proposed long ago on this thread and elsewhere)...

Again -- I cannot "promise" that Prof. H will allow me to use his calorimeter...  but I think he'll let me conduct a FEW tests...  quite optimistic.  What do you all think?

[JouleSeeker]

Congrats to the family addition that end !!

Also while busy cutting out the Modular Rig Systems I had a good mate Harv who visits me from abroad every year.
I had all the parts for the replication and let Harv have a go at putting the circuit together and doing some tests.

We only tried 3 configurations/variances in the position of the 10K pot on the LED load, but here are the results so far.

http://www.overunity.org.uk/showthread.php?2210-Replication-of-Dr....

We know that there are multiple variances between the two 10K pots, one on the input and one on the output, but due to time restraints we just chose 3 different ones and it was a quick knock up.

Not being able to plot the energy in realtime using the maths function on the scope slowed us down alot as we had to manually plot each of the configurations.

Cheers

Sean.

Hey, Sean -- good to hear from you.  Your post came in while I was doing the long post above about use of a calorimeter... 
  Thanks for your work on this with Harv...    Well, the output/input doesn't look too exciting at this point, but we're learning, me especially.

Note from past pages of discussion -- I have noted that the DUT's show a voltage dependence on the glow of the LED that seems quite important.  I observe with the sj1 and Xee2 circuits that the LED gets dimmer as the cap providing Pin loses power, stage 1, and the LED may go "off" for several seconds --
  then the LED re-brightens and the DUT enters stage 2...  In stage 2, after re-brightening, the DUT consumes much less input power (factor of roughly 100 less).  So -- the question is -- does your device show this effect?  and if so, then pls measure the Pout/Pin in stage 2... 
gotta run -- family duty calls...

[hartiberlin]

Hello to All,
as I am currently on a vaccation trip through Scandinavia with my girlfriend
in my old used Mobile Van car,
I visited today Per-Johan in Abod Öglunda, Sweden to work on the Prof. Jones circuit..
I just stopped by Per-Johan´s place on my trip to say hello,
as I was near him and he was very friendly and showed me his Prof. Jones circuit he was working on.

Then we tweaked it all a bit and got the battery to charge up in voltage while running it lighting the LED.

Look at the circuit diagram in the video.

We used 4 x 1N4148 diodes for the FWBR diodes, but with
better diodes this would work even better.

We also tried to selfloop it via a capacitor instead of the battery,
but we only had an hour of time to play with it at my visit, so there were too many
losses and also the 2 x 1 Ohm resistors were still in there, so the pickup coil
with the bridge puts out less current than the whole circuit  consumes, but due to the voltage spikes the battery does charge indeed a bit up during runtime of the circuit.

Other conclusions could not be drawn in the short amount of time of the visit.

Many thanks to Per-Johan and his wife for the friendly hospitality and the nice talks we had.

Watch::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdY87mXqi1o



Regards, Stefan.