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The 90-60 Method for Regauging Magnet Motors

Started by MagneticPotential, May 30, 2011, 03:47:10 PM

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gravityblock

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June 03, 2011, 03:35:06 AM
Quote from: Low-Q on June 02, 2011, 06:15:58 PM
Howard Johnson also said that repulsion is weaker than attraction, but very little difference. This is my experience too. It shouldn't be the reason why Tonys idea don't work in practice. It shoud be something else. I cannot see why yet.

Vidar

There's quite a bit of difference if you take a look at the calculator.  Elias on another forum says the calculator gives pull and push forces which are approximately related to each other by the Golden Mean (1.618).  I haven't verified this, so it may be something to look into.

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Low-Q

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June 03, 2011, 04:47:49 AM
Quote from: gravityblock on June 03, 2011, 03:35:06 AM
There's quite a bit of difference if you take a look at the calculator.  Elias on another forum says the calculator gives pull and push forces which are approximately related to each other by the Golden Mean (1.618).  I haven't verified this, so it may be something to look into.

GB
Hi,

This ratio cannot be correct. See the pictures of the experiment I just did. I made an array of 12 small neos configured as NSNSNSNSNSNS. I used a long neo bar with N or S down, and tested wether it will repel or attract. Honestly, I cannot feel much of an attraction. Maybe slightly, but I can feel a repelling force too. It all depends on how accurate I place the bar magnet over the array which is suppose to cancel out attraction and repel. The "Golden Ratio" relation has nothing to do with it. If it had, the bar bagnet would instantly snapped out of my fingers. Remember, this is very strong neodym magnets in very close proximity.

PS! The bar magnet have a copper foil around it. I use this magnet to attach battery cells for charging. The copper foil has nothing to do with the experiment.

gravityblock

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June 03, 2011, 10:24:16 AM
Quote from: Low-Q on June 03, 2011, 04:47:49 AM
Hi,

This ratio cannot be correct.

According to the calculator the attractive force is approximately 1.618 times the repel force between two magnets.  With arrays or different configurations, then the results may be different. 

GB
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Low-Q

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June 03, 2011, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: gravityblock on June 03, 2011, 10:24:16 AM
According to the calculator the attractive force is approximately 1.618 times the repel force between two magnets.  With arrays or different configurations, then the results may be different. 

GB
It does not have to be an array. I have tested only two side by side NS and approach a smaller magnet with S or N. Does not matter. The attraction is litterally not present.
Maybe the person who designed that calculator was drunk... ;D

Vidar

Low-Q

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June 03, 2011, 01:40:50 PM
I believe (from experiments) that the possible difference between attraction an repulsion is depending on how equal two opposing or attractive magnets are. If one is much stronger than the other (ferrite vs neodymium), you can have attraction regardless of the position of the weakest magnet. If they are 100% equal, I strongly believe the attraction is equal to repulsion. This is also what I have confirmed by using neodymium magnets with small tolerances.

Vidar
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