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Romero's experiments and OU principles

Started by plengo, June 10, 2011, 08:26:08 PM

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teslaalset

Quote from: romerouk on June 15, 2011, 03:33:48 AM
I am not that good to explain things like many of you here are. I can tell you that when I powered on the device with low power like 6 volts I could not get the effect but starting with 9-12 volts will bring the effect in the system then once started I can go down to 6 volts.More than 12 will kill the effect too.The best was arround 9-10 volts
Below 6 volts will strugle (listen to the  video sound) making strange noises and eventualy will stop.

Probably the optimum power source voltage depends on the induced voltage levels (maximum and minimum) in the generator coils.
Those coils are 'shorted' when the induced voltage surpasses the (buffer capacitor + 2 diode forward) voltage.
This determines the amount of BEMF delay and it looks like this is quite critical.
(confirmed by simulations)

bolt

Quote from: teslaalset on June 15, 2011, 04:17:59 AM
Probably the optimum power source voltage depends on the induced voltage levels (maximum and minimum) in the generator coils.
Those coils are 'shorted' when the induced voltage surpasses the (buffer capacitor + 2 diode forward) voltage.
This determines the amount of BEMF delay and it looks like this is quite critical.
(confirmed by simulations)

There is a hysteresis latching point where the coils break OU and starting generating a higher wattage then being consumed by the system. You can hear when it goes OU and is often quite noisy more of a growl.  As you lower the drive voltage again it tries to hold on to the OU latching condition for perhaps 500 rpm lower then suddenly it all collapses. This is VERY typical of OU reactive systems.
Listen again to Thrapps generator starting up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST3A4hQH8Ao&feature=related

you can hear exactly when this takes place and it also has an upper limit where you can generate too much power if the RPM gets too fast. In very high power systems you can get like a huge sonic BANG if you allow the load to suddenly collapse the ZPE flow without disconnecting prior to shutting down the system.

teslaalset

Quote from: bolt on June 15, 2011, 06:47:53 AM
There is a hysteresis latching point where the coils break OU and starting generating a higher wattage then being consumed by the system. You can hear when it goes OU and is often quite noisy more of a growl.  As you lower the drive voltage again it tries to hold on to the OU latching condition for perhaps 500 rpm lower then suddenly it all collapses. This is VERY typical of OU reactive systems.
Listen again to Thrapps generator starting up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ST3A4hQH8Ao&feature=related

you can hear exactly when this takes place and it also has an upper limit where you can generate too much power if the RPM gets too fast. In very high power systems you can get like a huge sonic BANG if you allow the load to suddenly collapse the ZPE flow without disconnecting prior to shutting down the system.

The details of this Trapps device is completely unknown, at least to me, so any comparison doesn't make sense in my view.

You're a record holding optimist Bolt, you seem to be convinced all these devices work as advertised.
You probably follow www.peswiki.com as well.
Notice how much optimistic stories were published the last 10 years and how many entered the market successful.
Zero up till now.
I am not so convinced and I would rather keep any comparison out here and stay with both feet on the ground.
I am hopefull but not convinced due to a lack of facts and figures, that's where we differ.

teslaalset

@RomeroUK,

Did you apply below winding for the looped demo version?
In the figure below (side view of a coil) the blue and red wires are both 7 strand wires.
Or did you apply only a red wire version without the blue winding?

I ask this, because this would make a big difference in capacity energy stored in the coils.
The difference in capacity energy storage is a factor of around 22500, (N^2)/2 where N in this case is 300 as you indicated a few weeks ago.
This would also explain the difference between the few tens of pF of my own estimation earlier and the much higher capacity values motivated by others.
Capacity difference between both types of winding methods is a factor of around 150, N/2.

Sorry if you got hypnotized ;)

nul-points

hi Romero

i notice that 2 of the 3 rotors we've seen from your builds  (1 in the video, 1 as a photo) have been black, and a third one has been opaque plastic

are there more things we need to know about the 'internals' of your rotors which will help us?

eg. have you increased the inertia of the rotors by adding additional weight to them?

or have you assembled your rotor magnets from two magnets in opposition, perhaps, so that although, as you mentioned, the rotor magnets are 'South Up', they could ALSO be 'South down'?

when commenting on the 'virtual pole' between each rotor magnet you mentioned there being some more poles

if each rotor mag position contained two mags in opposition then there would be an extra  8 poles between 2 adjacent 'columns' of 2 rotor mags

S          (n)           S

N          (s)           N

  (s)  (n)   (n)  (s)

N          (s)           N

S          (n)           S

is this what you meant by more 'virtual poles'?

thanks
np


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