What significance would a gravity powered device have compared to all others?

[MrMag]

Christo4,

I don't know what got you to this point. I started following your other thread a while back but I have to admit that I have not been keeping up to date with it. At the time, you were building something and I remember a post that said you were 2/3 finished. Did you ever get a chance to finish it and did it work like you were hoping?

[christo4_99]

I have had a good conversation with a physicist at Cornell today.he seems to think that the little machine has the power to alter reality and science as we know it.With an understanding of said machine much clearer than he,i can assure everyone that it has no such power.This thing has been trumped up more than anything in history.It has a power alright but it won't alter reality or break any relevant laws.Anyway for those who are interested in what i am willing to say: It is being built.Stay tuned.

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Originally Posted by christo4_99
questions to anyone: what is the foundation of your thoughts on this subject? is it knowing or assuming?

deciding that something is impossible just because someone else did does not make it so.

if you state that it is impossible and then someone proves that it is...does that make you a liar or a fool?

...if someone solves the problem (with a different approach) then is there any less merit to the achievement than there would have been when it was a more respectable pursuit or a fad so to speak?

Physicist:Well, what is the difference between knowing and assuming? No one has access to absolute knowledge, and such may not even exist. Every statement that we make confidently as fact, such as "the sun will rise in the east," is based on accumulated experience, supported by physical laws that make this prediction plausible. I would bet my life on that prediction. If the sun in fact rises in the west tomorrow, it will invalidate all of mankind's science and accepted understanding of reality. If someone told me that he has seen the sun rise in the west, then I would assume that he is joking or confused.

Absolutely true.

Absolutely not. All of our assumptions about reality are actually bets placed on our best knowledge of the day. These are mostly good bets, just as betting on a straight flush is a good bet in a poker game. If the poker player loses the hand to another straight flush with a higher card, that does not make him a fool, let alone a liar.

Solving a problem with a new approach always has merit, and often makes the solver famous. However, you speak of physical laws as if they were legislative acts, such as prohibiting alcohol or setting the value of pi equal to 3. In fact, the laws of mechanics are a network of interlocking principles and relationships that explain hundreds of years of observations to a phenomenal degree of precision. It is not possible to void one of those laws without voiding them all and destroying all of science in the process. Conservation of energy is one of those laws, and a working Bessler wheel would violate conservation of energy. In popular terms, a world with working Bessler wheels is also a world where pigs can fly and the sun rises in the west when it feels like it. That is why all of us with science educations are betting that the Bessler wheel does not exist. I think that this is as good a bet as I am ever going to see. I do not have the intellectual capital to grapple with a new physics without gross conservation of energy, so I am fully prepared to receive my commitment papers when I see convincing proof of its operation. Best wishes to you, and good luck.

me again: okay so if i build a self moving machine like Bessler's then suddenly pigs will fly ! note:this is a scientist talking here ! I doubt if Bessler knew of all the flying pigs in the area when he built his machine. any stories of flying pigs in history fellows ? silly question but answer : no flying pigs. well documented Bessler wheel but no flying pigs. If y'all can find anything other than fiction on flying pigs let me know. roflmao

[christo4_99]

maybe this is what he was talking about
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPAYR5NReE8

[onthecuttingedge2005]

I have had a good conversation with a physicist at Cornell today.he seems to think that the little machine has the power to alter reality and science as we know it.With an understanding of said machine much clearer than he,i can assure everyone that it has no such power.This thing has been trumped up more than anything in history.It has a power alright but it won't alter reality or break any relevant laws.Anyway for those who are interested in what i am willing to say: It is being built.Stay tuned.

Quote:
Originally Posted by christo4_99
questions to anyone: what is the foundation of your thoughts on this subject? is it knowing or assuming?

deciding that something is impossible just because someone else did does not make it so.

if you state that it is impossible and then someone proves that it is...does that make you a liar or a fool?

...if someone solves the problem (with a different approach) then is there any less merit to the achievement than there would have been when it was a more respectable pursuit or a fad so to speak?

Physicist:Well, what is the difference between knowing and assuming? No one has access to absolute knowledge, and such may not even exist. Every statement that we make confidently as fact, such as "the sun will rise in the east," is based on accumulated experience, supported by physical laws that make this prediction plausible. I would bet my life on that prediction. If the sun in fact rises in the west tomorrow, it will invalidate all of mankind's science and accepted understanding of reality. If someone told me that he has seen the sun rise in the west, then I would assume that he is joking or confused.

Absolutely true.

Absolutely not. All of our assumptions about reality are actually bets placed on our best knowledge of the day. These are mostly good bets, just as betting on a straight flush is a good bet in a poker game. If the poker player loses the hand to another straight flush with a higher card, that does not make him a fool, let alone a liar.

Solving a problem with a new approach always has merit, and often makes the solver famous. However, you speak of physical laws as if they were legislative acts, such as prohibiting alcohol or setting the value of pi equal to 3. In fact, the laws of mechanics are a network of interlocking principles and relationships that explain hundreds of years of observations to a phenomenal degree of precision. It is not possible to void one of those laws without voiding them all and destroying all of science in the process. Conservation of energy is one of those laws, and a working Bessler wheel would violate conservation of energy. In popular terms, a world with working Bessler wheels is also a world where pigs can fly and the sun rises in the west when it feels like it. That is why all of us with science educations are betting that the Bessler wheel does not exist. I think that this is as good a bet as I am ever going to see. I do not have the intellectual capital to grapple with a new physics without gross conservation of energy, so I am fully prepared to receive my commitment papers when I see convincing proof of its operation. Best wishes to you, and good luck.

me again: okay so if i build a self moving machine like Bessler's then suddenly pigs will fly ! note:this is a scientist talking here ! I doubt if Bessler knew of all the flying pigs in the area when he built his machine. any stories of flying pigs in history fellows ? silly question but answer : no flying pigs. well documented Bessler wheel but no flying pigs. If y'all can find anything other than fiction on flying pigs let me know. roflmao

Physicist?
if that's the case then you know less than the physicist and have no working model against peer physicists, so far for the last 200 years nobody has proven them wrong with any working model, hold your tongue there sunshine.

Jerry

[christo4_99]

i just thought that pm and flying pigs were not in the same ballpark and funny to boot...as for holding my tongue,that's about as likely as PM isn't...lol