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Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

Started by Overunityguide, August 30, 2011, 04:59:41 PM

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synchro1

Quote from: conradelektro on March 19, 2013, 03:06:41 PM
@synchro1 and DeepCut: thank you for the answers, that clarified a lot.

A attached a picture taken from the latest video of skycollection with two questions.

What do you think?

Are the magnets in skycollection's rotor S N S N  or S S S S or N N N N ? Does it matter?

Using synchro1's (I called them Type A) coils instead of skycollection's coils? Would it work?

Greetings, Conrad

The idea is to multiply the alternations per second. Makes no sense to double up on pole orientation. JLN's is NSNS

DeepCut

Your magnet orientation is dependent upon how you drive the rotor and what you want to get out of it.

If you are driving your rotor with induction, as in the Adams motor or Bedini's SSG, you want all the same poles facing the coils, because the driving coil can only pulse N or S, depending how it is wound.

For power generation, N/S is better because you get a larger min/max voltage, but this works best if you are driving your rotor with a DC motor or some other, non-inductive, driver.

You also have to think about what is happening when a magnet is entering/exiting a coil (moving close toward or moving away from).

As the magnet enters the coil, depending on coil winding and magnet face, let's say we create a North pole in the coil. Then, as the magnet exits, it creates the opposite pole (in this case South) because it is going from the inside to the outside of the coil rather than the outside to the inside, so it's cutting the coil in a different direction, thereby reversing the polarity.

So, for good output power on a multi-magnet rotor, you want to have one magnet entering the coil as the magnet ahead of it is starting to move away from the centre of the coil.

Having said all that, i do remember in one of my old setups, the AUL effect seemed to be stronger when the magnets were close together and creating (i would have thought) opposing poles in the coil at the same time.

This may be due to the same principle that synchro describes when using a diametric magnet as the core.

But we're in unknown territory so odd things happen.

In my first succesful AUL setup, at certain frequencies, having shorted the coil and got acceleration, i would then unshort the coil and the rotor stayed at the accelerated speed ! I am still unsure as to why this happened and so are people i have asked who know a lot more than i do.

Can you describe and/or do you have a picture of your setup ?

I'm about to watch a video but i will be back on in about an hour.


All the best,

DC.



conradelektro

Quote from: DeepCut on March 19, 2013, 03:32:28 PM
Can you describe and/or do you have a picture of your setup ?

All the best,

DC.

Some time ago I built a fairly efficient pulse motor. See the attached pictures.

I might build a bigger version (larger disk) which would allow me to place up to four (or even more) of synchro1's generator coils around the rotor (disk with the magnets)  in addition to the drive coils and the sensor coils.

In my design the magnets had all the same orientation.

I used two pairs of drive coils and one pair of sensor coils. The sensor coils were the best option for controlling the pulses. In my case better than a hall sensor (which needs power, whereas the sensor coils generate the small power for the control signal). A reed switch is too slow and too unreliable for high speed turning.

The type of rotor I built allows for coil pairs (future generator coils, two drive coils and sensor coil all come in pairs), which according to my opinion is more efficient than single coils because both sides of the magnets (in the rotor) are utilized.

Greetings, Conrad

synchro1

Quote from: conradelektro on March 19, 2013, 04:14:09 PM
Some time ago I built a fairly efficient pulse motor. See the attached pictures.

I might build a bigger version (larger disk) which would allow me to place up to four (or even more) of synchro1's generator coils around the rotor (disk with the magnets)  in addition to the drive coils and the sensor coils.

In my design the magnets had all the same orientation.

I used two pairs of drive coils and one pair of sensor coils. The sensor coils were the best option for controlling the pulses. In my case better than a hall sensor (which needs power, whereas the sensor coils generate the small power for the control signal). A reed switch is too slow and too unreliable for high speed turning.

The type of rotor I built allows for coil pairs (future generator coils, two drive coils and sensor coil all come in pairs), which according to my opinion is more efficient than single coils because both sides of the magnets (in the rotor) are utilized.

Greetings, Conrad

Nice platform. All your output coils need to be bifilar tesla wired, and the rotor magnets alternating polarity. The power coil can improve as a bifilar too, with the bipolar rotor. DeepCut's the one really set up to test this kind of coil. He's doing a great favor for us replicating this with scope shots.

conradelektro

Quote from: synchro1 on March 19, 2013, 04:34:43 PM

Nice platform. All your output coils need to be bifilar tesla wired, and the rotor magnets alternating polarity. The power coil can improve as a bifilar too, with the bipolar rotor.

Alternating polarity magnet placement on the rotor will not work with my drive circuit.

My drive circuit depends on the fact that all magnets pass the coils with the same pole all the time. One coil of each pair expects N and the other opposing coil S (drive coil pairs and sensor coil pair). For the generator coil pairs the magnets could be placed with alternating poles.

I find it difficult to come up with a pulse motor circuit to drive a rotor with alternating pole magnets. The essence of a pulse motor seems to be that the poles of the rotor magnets all face the same way.

You are right, the drive coils and the sensor coils should be bifilar too.

Greetings, Conrad