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Overunity Machines Forum



Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

Started by Overunityguide, August 30, 2011, 04:59:41 PM

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kEhYo77

@OverunityGuide
I got one of those 3000/3 phase/50 Hz waiting on my shelf for my setup by the way :D
I think it is just a matter of driving frequency. I plan to do my own inverter with a variable frequency sine wave to drive the motor.
This way I will be able to achieve the RPM threshold for different coils/cores.
Best of luck...
 

neptune

@Overunityguide . The logical next step would be to add a second shorted coil , and note the input power reduction .With more and more coils , the input power should become less , but I feel you will eventually come up against the law of diminishing returns .You could also experiment with the coils parameters , number of turns , type of core etc . I wish you success . My old legs are getting tired on my bike , and I dont have a spare 7000 dollars to give to Thane Heins .

Overunityguide

Quote from: mikestocks2006 on August 31, 2011, 12:34:44 PM
Hi Overunityguide,
What is the power input to the drive, for the same drive settings, but without the coil present?
Nice video.

Thanks
Mike

Hi Mike

I have just tested it and it seems to be 66 Watts with the generator rotor removed, So when only running the plain motor.

And yes I know what you want to say... This is not Overunity...

Running 71 Watts Shorted, 75 Watts without a load, 73 with a load connected and 66 Watts when in plain motor mode...

But, that is not what I try to show here, I am only trying to show the proof of principle by now. As I have said earlier, there can be a lot improved in this kind setup.

The mechanical design of my generator for instance is one of poorest design which you can use... Further am I using a .37KW Motor right now, which is also a bit overkill.

Please keep remember it is only to show the effect.

Kind Regards,

Overunityguide

mikestocks2006

Quote from: Overunityguide on August 31, 2011, 03:29:46 PM
Hi Mike

I have just tested it and it seems to be 66 Watts with the generator rotor removed, So when only running the plain motor.

And yes I know what you want to say... This is not Overunity...

Running 71 Watts Shorted, 75 Watts without a load, 73 with a load connected and 66 Watts when in plain motor mode...

But, that is not what I try to show here, I am only trying to show the proof of principle by now. As I have said earlier, there can be a lot improved in this kind setup.

The mechanical design of my generator for instance is one of poorest design which you can use... Further am I using a .37KW Motor right now, which is also a bit overkill.

Please keep remember it is only to show the effect.

Kind Regards,

Overunityguide
Hi Overunityguide,
Thanks for replying with the figures.
No problem at all that this is under unity. I was merely interested in the penalty % that the coil drag adds to the system by itself, for this particular setup.  In this case it appears to be about 13.6% added load, and from that there is a recovery of about 44% when fully shorted. So the fully shorted penalty is about 7.5% That may not be all due to the electromagnetic effects, but also there is increased aerodynamic frictional losses as the magnets try to “squeeze” through that air gap between magnets and tip of coil core.
Some tests with ferrite have shown between 3% to 20% penalty depending on speed. The speed up is a bit more elusive though.

Thanks again for taking the time to check the figures ,and post.
Mike

mikestocks2006

Hi Overunityguide

To add on the above post.
It would be interesting to see what the pure EM losses are, by replacing that coil/core with a nonmagnetic non conductive form  -same shape/size - and test for added load needed at the same rpm.
Then comparing these losses to previous, the true added load “if any” !  can be calculated.

Thanks
Mike