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Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect

Started by Overunityguide, August 30, 2011, 04:59:41 PM

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CRANKYpants

Quote from: teslaalset on October 04, 2011, 06:17:35 AM
OUG, Thane,
In none of his measured situations PF < 0 happened, so no COP>1 !!
Nevertheless, great series of demo's.

I DON'T THINK IT WAS OUG's INTENTION TO SHOW OVERNUDITY.
I THINK HIS INTENTION WAS ONLY TO SHOW A REDUCTION IN INPUT ON LOAD.
IF YOU TURNED ON YOUR MICROWAVE OVEN TO COOK YOUR DINNER AND YOUR METER SLOWED DOWN IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING, NO?

AND I DON'T THINK OUG's VIDEOS ARE THAT GREAT ANYWAY  >:(
NO DRUGS, NO VIOLENCE, AND NO NUDITY OR S.E.X OF ANY KIND!
MIGHT AS WELL BE THE FREAKIN CHURCH CHANNEL  ;).

T

teslaalset

Quote from: CRANKYpants on October 04, 2011, 03:28:02 PM
I DON'T THINK IT WAS OUG's INTENTION TO SHOW OVERNUDITY.
I THINK HIS INTENTION WAS ONLY TO SHOW A REDUCTION IN INPUT ON LOAD.
IF YOU TURNED ON YOUR MICROWAVE OVEN TO COOK YOUR DINNER AND YOUR METER SLOWED DOWN IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING, NO?

Indeed I'm a big fan of slow food.
Let's see what happens when a capacity is added to the primary.
Some say it will make a potential difference ;)

gyulasun

Hi Luc,

So far I forgot to think of the effect of a shorted coil in case of these transformer tests you have been doing.  Normally a shorted coil or heavily loaded coil reduces all the other coils self inductances on the transformer because of the counter-flux (Lenz law).
You can test this with your L meter connected to say the primary and short the MOT secondary, you may have to see the primary 76-80mH normal inductance value drops to the 10-12mH range (if you indeed measured 76-80mH when the secondary was an open circuit).

A "problem" still seems manifesting in case of the second scope picture you uploaded whereby the f=46.3Hz, 60uF is in parallel with the primary and the secondary is unsorted. In this case the LC resonance calculation gives 196.9mH primary inductance: why did it "increase" so much wrt the 76-80mH? There was no shorted coil then.

Thanks for your nice video.

Gyula

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gotoluc

Quote from: gyulasun on October 04, 2011, 05:08:13 PM
Hi Luc,

So far I forgot to think of the effect of a shorted coil in case of these transformer tests you have been doing.  Normally a shorted coil or heavily loaded coil reduces all the other coils self inductances on the transformer because of the counter-flux (Lenz law).
You can test this with your L meter connected to say the primary and short the MOT secondary, you may have to see the primary 76-80mH normal inductance value drops to the 10-12mH range (if you indeed measured 76-80mH when the secondary was an open circuit).

A "problem" still seems manifesting in case of the second scope picture you uploaded whereby the f=46.3Hz, 60uF is in parallel with the primary and the secondary is unsorted. In this case the LC resonance calculation gives 196.9mH primary inductance: why did it "increase" so much wrt the 76-80mH? There was no shorted coil then.

Thanks for your nice video.

Gyula

Thanks for the reply Gyula

I hooked up my variable ;D Inductance meter to the Primary and tonight it reads 70mH.
Then I connect the 60uf Cap and it reads (minus) -26mH.
Then I short the Secondary coil and it reads 17.2mH.
Then I remove the Cap and it reads 11mH

So now it is clear why the Capacitance needed to be so high.

Quote from: gyulasun on October 04, 2011, 05:08:13 PM

Normally a shorted coil or heavily loaded coil reduces all the other coils self inductances on the transformer because of the counter-flux (Lenz law).

Gyula

So if this is Lenz Law happening then where is the Delayed Lenz Effect Overunityguide is talking about?

Also Gyula, would you know why Overunityguide does not see any reason a higher Primary Inductance value would not be any better?... I just can't get my mind around that one.

Thanks for your time

Luc