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FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

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The new poll  starting 2-4-2012:  LENR technology

a) will soon lead to the end of the fossil fuel era and become the new standard.
b) will compete with fossil fuels for decades to come eventually replacing them.
c) will not only phase out fossil fuels but will also lead to the trials of the current corrupt powers in charge.
d) will lead to all of the above.

gravityblock

@ Gwandau and Loner, and anyone else who is studying the paper by Xydous.

I truly appreciate you taking the time to read and properly understand this publication with an open-mind.  You'll be the first ones to grasp what I'm trying to relate to everyone.  It's not even necessary to grasp everything in his paper.  Understanding a few key things is all that is required.  You're very close Gwandau.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Rosemary Ainslie

Gravock, I 'm not qualified to comment.  Nor am I about to try and change your opinion.  Our own thesis assumes that the electron - in fact all stable particles - are composites of this fundamental 'charged' magnetic dipole.  We are able to prove this as we can then also reconcile the mass/size ratio of the proton to the electron.  And that through nothing more than pure dialectic reasoning.  Not an equation in sight. Nothing more than applied logic.  And that ratio - that 1836 x > than the electron?  That's yet another question that has been shelved by our learned and revered - for want of any reasonable or foundational argument. 

Clearly you have never read our paper.  Which is extraordinary considering that you're so ready to claim that we're wrong.  Or even that you're right.  Quite apart from which, being right or wrong is, in any event,  entirely irrelevant.  Science matters WAY too much to be the victim of such absurd conceits and pretensions.  The thought of it.  That anyone at all could claim any personal or ultimate 'justification'.  Newton was NOT right.  Einstein was NOT right.  They were all only on a quest to get nearer to some HIDDEN truth in nature.  And no-one can claim to have discovered the forces.  We've no idea what causes them.  All we know, is how to quantify them.  And that only partially.  The argument in support of Quantum electrodynamics is based on a kind of statistical 'fudging' qualified by Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle.  And guess what?  It's as uncertain today as it was then.  General Relativity is mostly and only used by our Astrophysicists.  It has no relevance to Nuclear Physics.  And General Relatively falls on its knees when it tries to reconcile Gravity.  And our nuclear physicists face a parade of anomalies that are centered precisely in those particle accelerators where matter appears to manifest in a boundless variety.  And, I might add, in absolute defiance of rule that energy cannot be created but only 'transferred'.  There is ample and BEWILDERING evidence that matter can multiply - out of mind.  Our world of science has very little in it that's absolute.

The ONLY thing that matters is that we keep asking questions.  It's positively ABSURD to try and say which branch is right and which branch is wrong.  They're all part of the whole.  Branches of a tree of knowledge.  And we're still clinging to that trunk,  We can barely see the branches - for want of some light.   It is an unfortunate truth that our modern day scientists assume that there is some kind of 'glory' associated with a what they all hope will be their discovery.  I'm particularly pleased to report that we've discovered nothing.  Certainly nothing that deviates from the standard model.  And we can say that with impunity. Frankly I'm not sure that there is such a thing as standard model.  Except - as is here shown - as a conglomerate of partial theory. 

What I do know is that LENR has not been resolved.  And if the required catalyst also required RF frequencies - then we'll learn about this in due course.  But that's NOT the whole of the answer.  We still have to argue the fact that elements can transmute without the heat associated with super novas.  My own view is that it's possibly better to ask.  To keep asking questions.  Not to keep proposing that you or indeed anyone - has all the answers.  Because not you nor anybody DOES have all the answers.  Else - we'll actually never get to the point where we can actually learn anything at all.  We'll spend our lives picking out what we think may be the best answer and taking sides.  And history has taught us NOTHING if not that there are no ready made answers.  And I modestly propose that we should be applying our own logic to our own questions.  Else how will be learn anything at all?  We'll only learn what others think.  Then we may as well throw away our brains and let some select few do all our thinking for us.

Anyway.  That's my tuppence worth.
Regards,
Rosemary

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: gravityblock on February 19, 2012, 01:29:36 PM
Dr. Stiffler's SEC generates a broadband of frequencies from 500 - 1 Mhz in decrements of 1.094 Mhz when properly tuned.  The 1094000 hertz (1.094 Mhz) is related to Znidarsics quantum transitional velocity of 1094000 m/s.

How does the SEC achieve this?  A photon oscillating in/out or inside of an electric field will be continuously decreasing in frequency and momentum until the moment of entropy is reached (In the SEC, the frequencies will decrement from 500 Mhz down to 1 Mhz in multiples of 1.094 Mhz).  We don't need it to go all the way to entropy.  We just need to decrease the frequency of the photons enough so the electrons-positrons will gain enough acceleration and momentum to overcome the repulsive coulomb forces.  A broadband of frequencies from 500 Mhz - 1 Mhz is more than efficient for our purposes.  In each successive decrement in the frequency of the photon, then the charges (electrons and/or positrons) will gain acceleration and momentum.  When the Electron as also the Positron accelerate to an initial velocity of 0.62c the pair will be annihilated generating excess heat.  The E/M wave's velocity decreases in jumps of 1,094,000 m/s while it's frequency will also decrement in jumps of 1,094,000 hertz.  Once the electrons-positrons obtain the necessary acceleration and momentum they will overcome the coulomb forces, collide and annihilate each other generating excess heat. It's a self-feeding process which requires no additional input once the process is initiated.

Gravock.
Gravock - this is getting a little bit absurd.  IF the electrons and positrons - as you put - continually annihilate then we would be left with a residue of highly unstable matter.  What in heaven's name are you trying to say here?  That the particles in the atoms are somehow depleting and we're thereby accessing this heat?  And this is done by an injection of photons?  The thing about LENR - the PUZZLE -  is that the protons themselves - the actual nucleus of the atom is reorganised into different elements.  There is an evident variation to the the neutron number.  There is absolutely NO variation to the electron nor the proton number.  Are you even aware of this?  One of the proposals made is that the neutron - that particle that somehow binds the protons and overcomes their repulsive force - is also somehow imposed from outside the atom.  But you most certainly do not have a variation between the electron - proton count.  We're left with stable elements.  That's the surprise.  To the best of my knowledge - the only thing that - historically - has managed to explain this 'changing' of the elements from one thing to another - is the application of heat that is even stronger than our sun's CORE.   THAT 'hot' - at the very center of our sun -  can only manage to take hydrogen to helium.  Rossi is claiming a variety of elements including copper and sundry trace numbers - as a result of an applied heat that is barely above what's required to take water to boil. 

WHAT are you thinking?
Rosemary   

gravityblock

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on February 19, 2012, 03:01:39 PM
Gravock - this is getting a little bit absurd.  IF the electrons and positrons - as you put - continually annihilate then we would be left with a residue of highly unstable matter.  What in heaven's name are you trying to say here?  That the particles in the atoms are somehow depleting and we're thereby accessing this heat?  And this is done by an injection of photons?  The thing about LENR - the PUZZLE -  is that the protons themselves - the actual nucleus of the atom is reorganised into different elements.  There is an evident variation to the the neutron number.  There is absolutely NO variation to the electron nor the proton number.  Are you even aware of this?  One of the proposals made is that the neutron - that particle that somehow binds the protons and overcomes their repulsive force - is also somehow imposed from outside the atom.  But you most certainly do not have a variation between the electron - proton count.  We're left with stable elements.  That's the surprise.  To the best of my knowledge - the only thing that - historically - has managed to explain this 'changing' of the elements from one thing to another - is the application of heat that is even stronger than our sun's CORE.   THAT 'hot' - at the very center of our sun -  can only manage to take hydrogen to helium.  Rossi is claiming a variety of elements including copper and sundry trace numbers - as a result of an applied heat that is barely above what's required to take water to boil. 

WHAT are you thinking?
Rosemary

Even Rossi himself has stated there is matter/anti-matter annihilation in his e-Cat.  Shut the F... Up if you don't care to understand it!  You don't know what your saying.  And I don't care if this gets me banned.   This is too important to let you or anyone else try to throw a monkey wrench into the elementary truths of the universe.  What applies to the photons and electron-positrons with the electromagnetic force, is also very similar and applies to the neutrons and W-Z particles with the weak nuclear force.  Neutrons have a negative and positive charge, just like the electron-positron particle.  Neutrons are only stable inside of atoms.  Neutrons in a stable atom don't have the sprialoid movement as the electron-positron which cancels out the charge on one side as the result of it's rotation and movement through the aether, thus the neutrons net charge is neutral or 0.  However, this weak nuclear interaction can change a neutron into a proton, etc. changing it into a different element by cancelling out one of the neutron's charges.  The W and Z particles when decrementing in frequency, just like the photon when decrementing in frequency will impart acceleration and momentum to the electron-positron, will also impart acceleration and momentum to the neutron-proton.  This gives it movement through the aether allowing the charge on one side to be cancelled.  If the negative charge of a neutron is cancelled, then it becomes a proton.  Vice-versa if it has the opposite rotation of movement.  There is no unstable matter produced if the neutrons-protons don't escape from the atom during this process.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: gravityblock on February 19, 2012, 03:17:48 PM
Even Rossi himself has stated there is matter/anti-matter annihilation in his e-Cat.  Shut the F... Up if you don't care to understand it!  You don't know what your saying.  And I don't care if this gets me banned.   This is too important to let you or anyone else try to throw a monkey wrench into the elementary truths of the universe.

My dear Gravock.  If this is the result of the creation and then the annihilation of matter and anti-matter then we have not get the required level of heat in that interaction.  I had no idea that Rossi is claiming this.  If he is - then I'm wrong.  Because he certainly knows knows what he's doing.  He's not a amateur.  And nor are his colleagues.  But I think I'd like to see this claim in writing - somewhere. 

Here's what we know.  Again.  When that interaction is exhausted there's evidence of new elements and varying isotopes.  And that means that the only thing that has changed is the atom's neutron count. If there was not this consistent relationship between the electron and the proton then we would also NOT not have an identifiable element.  If there's a marginal variation to the electron count then it would be evident in the valence condition of the atom.  And I've not heard that this is evident.  Anywhere.  But nor do I know everything.  I'm only telling you within the limits of what I've read about this.

I agree. The subject is too important to get it wrong.  And Gravock.  Again.  One does not win an argument by denial.  That way we none of us learn anything. 
Kindest regards,
Rosemary