FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[Rosemary Ainslie]

I must be on a good path,  it seems that I am good friends with just the right (retired) gases plant engineer.  He was tops at Union Carbide and lives close here on the island, he can put together one of these test units "with ease".  He is putting together a costings sheet and soon we will have our own proof.   Reheating the element core to self run is not difficult, he understands these diagrams far better than I do.   WOW!  I feel like I am just where I am suppose to be.   When we have a proto and results I will post them.  Of course we can't sell them commerically, but like you said we CAN make our own for private use.  GREEN POWER!   I can't see how E-Cat can ever obtain a pat. unless he makes arrangments with the inventors of the process.  He can however look into his self run process,  but from what my friend says it is used for other proceedures in gases plant already commonly.

Good gracious Hope.  You are really amazing.  'Hope' to the hopeful.  This is just WONDERFUL news.  Very well done indeed.

Rosie

[lwh]

Yeah, that's great news Hope.  Looking forward to seeing what you make of it.

I said in my previous post the science behind this technology is beyond most of us, but so what if it is?  Most people don't know, in scientific terms, how solar panels work either, and a lot of people would even struggle to explain how an internal combustion engine works, but they'll still use them.  In the same way, people don't need to understand the science behind the Rossi type device in order to use one, or even make one.  To make the thing work you only need to know how it does what it does, not why it does it.

The original inventors might have had to have understood the technology from a theoretical science point of view, but those of us who follow don't have to, all we have to do is effectively reverse-engineer the things.  And if people can do that, by figuring out what arrangement of which materials is required to replicate the Rossi device, then why shouldn't they?  Especially at this early experimental stage of the development, before the things get totally commercialized (and regulated).

With clear instructions, along with a clear explanation of the potential dangers involved, why couldn't a person with the required tools and equipment and expertise be able to replicate the Rossi device?  If there are no prohibited or prohibitively expensive elements involved, and if the construction doesn't require using highly trained skills, or having highly specialized parts machined, then why couldn't people experiment with this technology at home? 

I'm not saying it's something anyone could or should do, and I may be misunderstanding the complexities and over-simplifying things too much, but on the face of it, it doesn't seem any more dangerous than dealing with any device that produces high temperature water and steam.

P.S

Thanks for the responses to my previous post, but don't be offended if I don't contribute much to the thread, my opinions are just opinions and (despite voicing yet more of them in what I just wrote) I'd rather stay silent and so help keep the thread focussed more on actual information and facts relating to the Rossi device and it's replications. 

[teslaalset]

Despite the fact that I am very optimistic Rossi and his partner(s) have found an increadible technology, replication will be quite hard in my view.
The main reason is Rossi is using a catalyst that is not known, nor has it been published or has it been described in his patent application (I've just read the original Italian PA).

The funny thing is that he actually does not need to keep the catalyst secret. If I read his claims correctly he is claiming the principle rather than detailing the physical/chemical process, mentioning the use of any catalyst. This not only means that his upcoming patent includes the use of his own discovered catalyst, but also any catalyst that is already existing or will be found in the future.
In my view he is holding the details of his catalyst to stay ahead of any competition in the market, while he in principle doesn't need to remain the patent holder of the basic patent.
Once he's selling commercial products, the catalyst he is applying will be easily revealed, so replication will be more easy. But by then his PA will be granted and production can't be done without a license.
Or, in the case his PA will not be granted (e.g. because of prior art), he just can't license the basics but by then (if he's smart enough) will have patented the control technology that is required to keep the process controlled.

Another practical problem that is not mentioned anywhere is the particilar storage of liquid hydrogen.
Liquid hydrogen can't just be stored in presurized containers. It needs to have an overpresure valve which will have to leak hydrogen to allow a constant presure in the container or at least prevent the container to self destroy.
This means liquid hydrogen can only be stored for a few weeks having an acceptable size container in mind.
So, for use in private homes this is a major issue yet to be resolved IMHO.
Rossi probably needs to talk to Honda.
Honda has developed a hydrogen production unit for private homes to allow local generation of (liquid) hydrogen.
If such an installation is required, the whole setup will not be very affordable at all.
Lot's of remaining challenges ahead.....

[lumen]

Another practical problem that is not mentioned anywhere is the particilar storage of liquid hydrogen.
Liquid hydrogen can't just be stored in presurized containers. It needs to have an overpresure valve which will have to leak hydrogen to allow a constant presure in the container or at least prevent the container to self destroy.
This means liquid hydrogen can only be stored for a few weeks having an acceptable size container in mind.
So, for use in private homes this is a major issue yet to be resolved IMHO.
Rossi probably needs to talk to Honda.
Honda has developed a hydrogen production unit for private homes to allow local generation of (liquid) hydrogen.
If such an installation is required, the whole setup will not be very affordable at all.
Lot's of remaining challenges ahead.....

I don't see any reason why liquid hydrogen would be required. In fact it was stated that the pressure in the bottle was 50 bar and the testing did not change the pressure because little hydrogen was used (1.7g). From this I believe the bottle only contains pressurized hydrogen and is not necessary to maintain in liquid form or vent the bottle.

The catalyst he claims are a wait and see item, several experiments by others showed large energy gains over 36 days before stopping the experiment by using nothing but nickel rod.
I was also thinking of building something but decided to first wait and see what comes out in the wash. Hopefully, the lacking information will all be cleared up over the next few months.

[teslaalset]

I don't see any reason why liquid hydrogen would be required. In fact it was stated that the pressure in the bottle was 50 bar and the testing did not change the pressure because little hydrogen was used (1.7g). From this I believe the bottle only contains pressurized hydrogen and is not necessary to maintain in liquid form or vent the bottle.

You might be right.
It's a long time ago since I practiced some calculations on pressurized gassed so let my try in this case:
Weight of one liter Hydrogen at 1 Bar is roughly 0.09 grams
The 5 KW unit that will be developed has an hydrogen bottle with an estimated volume of 5 liters at most
According to the 'formal' website hosted by PesWiki, it consumes 1 gram each 6 month on average before requiring a refill.
A container of 5 liter pressurized at 50 Bar could contain 5 x 0.09 x 50 = 22.5 grams of hydrogen.
So, I think we can safely assume you are right about using pressurized hydrogen with that kind of consumption

The catalyst he claims are a wait and see item, several experiments by others showed large energy gains over 36 days before stopping the experiment by using nothing but nickel rod.
I was also thinking of building something but decided to first wait and see what comes out in the wash. Hopefully, the lacking information will all be cleared up over the next few months.

Any useful reference(s) on such results with only pure nickel and hydrogen?