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FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

Started by chessnyt, September 16, 2011, 06:57:24 PM

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The new poll  starting 2-4-2012:  LENR technology

a) will soon lead to the end of the fossil fuel era and become the new standard.
b) will compete with fossil fuels for decades to come eventually replacing them.
c) will not only phase out fossil fuels but will also lead to the trials of the current corrupt powers in charge.
d) will lead to all of the above.

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: chessnyt on November 29, 2011, 08:04:33 PM
@Everyone:
Defkalion is claiming to have exact knowledge of Rossi's reactor's secret ingredients.  Defkalion:
“I know what he’s got in the reactor, I know everything. It was a spectroscopy made by the University of Siena. (...) They tried his reactor without him understanding what they did,”

This ought to be interesting:
"Tomorrow on Wednesday November 30th, Defkalion has planned a presentation of its products, and has announced that the the technology will be certified and tested by an independent party."

Here's a link to the full article:
http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3353181.ece

They even claimed in the article to have improved on Rossi's technology.  Maybe some early serious competition for Rossi after all?  We'll see tomorrow...


Regards,

Chess

Hi Chess,

I read that article.  I can sympathise with Rossi's reluctance to do further business there.  lol  It's not the first time that the guys at Defkalion have claimed to 'know everything'.  He was also going to show us a working device some days back.  I wouldn't hold your breath.  And regarding that spectroscopy thing - I think it was Professor Del Giudice, in any event it was the guy who took all those instruments to that test.  He tried to get a spectroscopy reading and Rossi interrupted the tests until this was sorted.  It was reported that Rossi was 'upset'.  I got the distinct impression that Rossi 'lost it'.  In any event.  If they or even Defkalion actually KNOW the secret ingredients - then they'd be fools to 'tell all' - especially if they're setting up in competition.  Otherwise they can't 'tell all'.  So.  My guess it's just bluff and blunder.  But how WONDERFUL if I'm wrong.  Then?  Just about anyone can get into competition - which is exactly your point.

What intrigues me is this.  The minute any of those units go for sale then - at that moment Rossi releases his 'patent secrets' assuming there are any.  Surely?  One can contract with a buyer that he NEVER reveals the 'secret' - but that buyer can exercise his rights of purchase to resell should he wish to.  I'd have thought.  At which point he's exonerated from that obligation?  I have no idea if this is even half way right.  In any event.  Hopefully that means we'll get some healthy competition.  My ONLY interest is in buying a unit.  Hopefully it will be within my pocket range.  I've put my name down, in any event.

Best as ever,
Rosemary

teslaalset

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on November 29, 2011, 09:10:39 PM

What intrigues me is this.  The minute any of those units go for sale then - at that moment Rossi releases his 'patent secrets' assuming there are any.  Surely?  One can contract with a buyer that he NEVER reveals the 'secret' - but that buyer can exercise his rights of purchase to resell should he wish to.

Two options:
1) There is no secret other than a common recipe (e.g. a pressure/temperature range)
2) A contract that prohibits reverse enginering and resale.

teslaalset

PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES GLOBAL
PRESS RELEASE

Wednesday 30th November, 2011

Today, and through our company website, Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global has disclosed its current work on Nickel and Hydrogen exothermic reaction using Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.
The provided Technical Specifications Sheet is a first preparation of our pre-industrial Hyperion product. This data has been tested with progress made towards the design of a final product ready for market entry in 2012.
Hyperion products will be introduced into the global market with applications for buildings, agriculture and industrial energy needs.
Beyond the completion of the final product with all necessary certificates, our company has three key objectives for 2012:

1. Agreements with companies for exclusive licenses according to country / territory
We have received interest in our license agreements from 850 companies from 60 countries. They have already received an invitation for testing our products on the basis of a license for their country. We expect to sign contracts in 2012 and have already started talks.

2. Third party independent tests for scientific purposes and advancement of theory
Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies is a strong supporter of LENR technologies globally. Greece can become the global centre for R&D on LENR technologies. We have already received numerous requests from leading scientific authorities, academic institutions and national laboratories from key countries to conduct tests on our products. Our policy is to accept their requests, under agreed protocol, and to allow publication of their findings. The process of agreeing to dates for such tests depends on the availability of our staff and labs, keeping in mind that we run a business, not a technology show room.

3. R&D-based joint venture partnerships with companies in niche market applications
There are many applications that stand alone Hyperion products cannot service. In these cases, we will enter into joint venture agreements with companies that have specialized know-how and technologies in their field, but who will be able to utilize and capitalize on our technology to create entirely new products with ours. Examples of such partnerships have come from interested companies in the fields of marine propulsion, water desalination, off-shore drilling, trains, telecom towers, heavy vehicles, and micro energy sources. These agreements will be consistent with Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global product development and R&D efforts.

[source: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/Press_Release_30Nov2011_Praxen_Defkalion_Green_Technologies.pdf ]

Product leaflet : see attached pdf
(pretty impressive!! )

[source: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf ]

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: teslaalset on November 30, 2011, 10:07:50 AM
PRAXEN - DEFKALION GREEN TECHNOLOGIES GLOBAL
PRESS RELEASE

Wednesday 30th November, 2011

Today, and through our company website, Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global has disclosed its current work on Nickel and Hydrogen exothermic reaction using Chemically Assisted Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.
The provided Technical Specifications Sheet is a first preparation of our pre-industrial Hyperion product. This data has been tested with progress made towards the design of a final product ready for market entry in 2012.
Hyperion products will be introduced into the global market with applications for buildings, agriculture and industrial energy needs.
Beyond the completion of the final product with all necessary certificates, our company has three key objectives for 2012:

1. Agreements with companies for exclusive licenses according to country / territory
We have received interest in our license agreements from 850 companies from 60 countries. They have already received an invitation for testing our products on the basis of a license for their country. We expect to sign contracts in 2012 and have already started talks.

2. Third party independent tests for scientific purposes and advancement of theory
Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies is a strong supporter of LENR technologies globally. Greece can become the global centre for R&D on LENR technologies. We have already received numerous requests from leading scientific authorities, academic institutions and national laboratories from key countries to conduct tests on our products. Our policy is to accept their requests, under agreed protocol, and to allow publication of their findings. The process of agreeing to dates for such tests depends on the availability of our staff and labs, keeping in mind that we run a business, not a technology show room.

3. R&D-based joint venture partnerships with companies in niche market applications
There are many applications that stand alone Hyperion products cannot service. In these cases, we will enter into joint venture agreements with companies that have specialized know-how and technologies in their field, but who will be able to utilize and capitalize on our technology to create entirely new products with ours. Examples of such partnerships have come from interested companies in the fields of marine propulsion, water desalination, off-shore drilling, trains, telecom towers, heavy vehicles, and micro energy sources. These agreements will be consistent with Praxen - Defkalion Green Technologies Global product development and R&D efforts.

[source: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/Press_Release_30Nov2011_Praxen_Defkalion_Green_Technologies.pdf ]

Product leaflet : see attached pdf
(pretty impressive!! )

[source: http://www.defkalion-energy.com/files/HyperionSpecsSheetNovember2011.pdf ]


Golly Teslaalset

Not sure what to make of all this.  I went into their spec sheets and couldn't then copy the info to paste it here unless I was a member?  I went straight to the 'raw materials' where they published - from memory - sulphur - oxygen - nitrogen - iron and cobalt.  Are all those ingredients necessary?  And in precisely that ratio?  And I was rather perturbed at the fact that they had not yet shown a device in operation. 

In any event.  I really don't care that much.  Frankly - if I had my 'druthers' I'd sooner back Rossi.  Only because, unlike Defkalion,  he didn't first steal the technology from anyone at all.  But I think Chess is spot on.  This is just the first outright attempt at thieving the technology.  I know something about this.  And I don't think the Chinese are inclined to hold back when it comes to either applying or copying anything at all.  Which means that it's going to be ridiculous to try and patent any part of this.  I do hope so.

I must say I sympathise with Rossi for breaking ties with these guys.  They're rather blatantly unscrupulous and proud of it.  And as for those hundreds of companies from 60 odd countries - that are apparently 'beating a path to their door'?  It would have been nice to disclose which companies exactly.  That, after all, was demanded of Rossi.  One hopes they're not setting this up to discredit the technology.

Anyway.  It'll be interesting.  But I'm only going to follow this progress when they show us that working demonstration. Until then I'll just see where Rossi's going with all this.   

Regards,
Rosemary




chessnyt

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on November 30, 2011, 10:13:46 PM

Golly Teslaalset

Not sure what to make of all this.  I went into their spec sheets and couldn't then copy the info to paste it here unless I was a member?  I went straight to the 'raw materials' where they published - from memory - sulphur - oxygen - nitrogen - iron and cobalt.  Are all those ingredients necessary?  And in precisely that ratio?  And I was rather perturbed at the fact that they had not yet shown a device in operation. 

In any event.  I really don't care that much.  Frankly - if I had my 'druthers' I'd sooner back Rossi.  Only because, unlike Defkalion,  he didn't first steal the technology from anyone at all.  But I think Chess is spot on.  This is just the first outright attempt at thieving the technology.  I know something about this.  And I don't think the Chinese are inclined to hold back when it comes to either applying or copying anything at all.  Which means that it's going to be ridiculous to try and patent any part of this.  I do hope so.

I must say I sympathise with Rossi for breaking ties with these guys.  They're rather blatantly unscrupulous and proud of it.  And as for those hundreds of companies from 60 odd countries - that are apparently 'beating a path to their door'?  It would have been nice to disclose which companies exactly.  That, after all, was demanded of Rossi.  One hopes they're not setting this up to discredit the technology.

Anyway.  It'll be interesting.  But I'm only going to follow this progress when they show us that working demonstration. Until then I'll just see where Rossi's going with all this.   

Regards,
Rosemary

@All:
I'm with Rosemary.  Without a demonstration of a working device, it's not really worth following.  It appears to me to be just a press release to keep investors from losing faith and possibly attract new ones.  It reminds me of the Orbo minus the working device. 

The Orbo technology would appear to hold more promise but as of yet, they have not offered a product for sale.  Just years of "It works...".  And if they really do have a legitimate technology, then it would be very silly for them to continue to sit on it indefinitely.

I'm not very picky when it comes to over unity.  I am willing to purchase any over unity device so long as it works and the manufacturer is willing to allow me to verify a working device in person (which is what Rossi is allowing).


Regards,

Chess