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FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

Started by chessnyt, September 16, 2011, 06:57:24 PM

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The new poll  starting 2-4-2012:  LENR technology

a) will soon lead to the end of the fossil fuel era and become the new standard.
b) will compete with fossil fuels for decades to come eventually replacing them.
c) will not only phase out fossil fuels but will also lead to the trials of the current corrupt powers in charge.
d) will lead to all of the above.
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tagor

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December 18, 2011, 03:32:53 AM
Quote from: Loner on December 18, 2011, 03:06:27 AM
Tagor, that's a wonderful find.

I am curious.  Are not all aware that Japan has two vehicles (Cars) on sale to the general public that run on water?  I believe there have even been public ads on US TV.  They are NOT sold outside of Japan and I wouldn't have a clue as to why.  (Well, maybe...)

As to NiMH, anyone think of just inserting the battery into a "High Pressure" container so as to place the "H" at the same pressure as Rossi's?   Might that not be possible for a quick test?  Just throwing it out there as it's all beyond me.

ok , I read it , months ago on the french site quanthomme
but it is PESN who get my attention on it this morning

IronShell3d

#453
December 18, 2011, 06:25:52 AM
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/research.htm

"Tests conducted at NASA Glenn Research Center in 1989 and elsewhere consistently show evidence of anomalous heat during gaseous loading and unloading of deuterium into and out of bulk palladium. At one time called “cold fusion,” now called “low-energy nuclear reactions” (LENR), such effects are now published in peer-reviewed journals and are gaining attention and mainstream respectability. The instrumentation expertise of NASA GRC is applied to improve the diagnostics for investigating the anomalous heat in LENR."

New slide show:
http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/docs/LENR_at_GRC_2011.pdf

Rosemary Ainslie

#454
December 18, 2011, 08:19:08 PM
We've seen those links Ironshell - or similar.  But what wasn't apparent is that retrospective and  much belated acknowledgement of Fleishman and Pons' work  on hard water and deuterium.  AND the FACT that NASA themselves had replicated it.  Frankly I think it's shameful that they volunteer this information this long after the event.  NASA used tax payers money.  If they'd made a study of this - then one assumes that they also owe it to the American citizens and, for that matter - the ENTIRE WORLD - to alert us to these benefits.  SO.  This is just more of that evidence that this knowledge has been UNDULY suppressed.

Guys - I've been in converse with one of our collaborators - who is also really well accredited - but not in electrical engineering.  He tells me that cold fusion is in exactly the same 'bracket' as belief in UFO's and such like.  And that's very much an ECCENTRIC FRINGE of mainstream science.  It's gradually gaining credibility because more and more reputable scientists are giving 'qualified' support to the evidence. But that's on UFO's.  Cold fusion is even somewhat LESS respectable - if that's possible - and here's why.  THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO WAY THAT THE NUMBERS CAN BE JUSTIFIED AS A LOW ENERGY NUCLEAR REACTION.  Not apparently, with the best will in the world.  The papers that are written on it apparently contradict each other on every significant level - and the explanation for it is wildly improbable - as a result.  It seems that Rossi's own publication was done to ensure that the patent is not 'rejected' on the basis of 'no prior publication of the science to justify the experimental evidence'.  And his journal is designed to address this lack.  Which is why there are so many diverse explanations.  The theory is therefore 'up for grabs' and it seems that everyone is making a stab at it.  Which is a good thing.  But that is very much in the best interests of anyone at all who wants to progress this science.  Because REGARDLESS of the explanation - the experimental evidence is IRREFUTABLE. 

My own concern related to Rossi's work - is that his numbers, as shown in the patent,  require the transmutation of neutrons ONLY.  Yet he claims to change nickel-62 to COPPER - in rather large quantities (up to third of the material) and that copper is NOT in an unstable form.  Which also means that there has to be a reduction in the proton count and that, apprently, is what's lacking.  I think it was Steven E Jones, or JouleSeeker who first pointed this out.  And apparently he's right.  But.  Here's the point.  If Rossi states that all is PRECISELY as proposed in his paper - then his entire patent could be negated - unless he somehow acknowledges that the results are NOT contestable - while the explanation MAY be.  In which case he could rescue that patent from a possible threat of rejection.  Not sure.  Anyway, possibly it's not that important.  I Just don't know.

I also don't understand why his own paper is NOT freely published in that journal.  It seems strangely contradictory - somehow.  Unless it's to try and keep the 'full force' of those 'tricks' of production out of the public eye.  But in today's world?  It's clearly not going to be possible.  Not for long.  Look how quickly Groundloop found the paper AND the patent.  And while Rossi is rushing to production - so are those Greeks.  I really need to look up that name again.  Then there's more than likely a whole host of others who are taking this seriously - starting with our energy suppliers.  Nickel may be plentiful.  But according to Piantelli - one just needs to use a metal.  For goodness sake.  That would also put this technology up for grabs.  But here's the real danger to our markets - based as it is on the supply of combustible fuel.  As this technology progresses - then there's going to be ever less material required for ever greater efficiencies obtained.  Which means that we'll be looking to supply a market that will easily reach saturation.  And 'long term' that's not a good thing.  Traditionally our entire free market principle pivots on the 'disposable' nature of just about everything.  All goods are designed with an in built obsolescence.  And nothing fits this bill as COMPLETELY as 'spent fuel' either from our petrol tanks or from our nuclear power stations.  There's very little 'spent' in this cold fusion number.  And I presume that all can be doctored to replace the required neutrons to re-establish the required isotopes.  Which means that there's little long term benefit to our energy suppliers who've waxed fat on all that bottomless need.  Which is likely to bring a PROFOUND change to our economic structures. 

I do hope so.

Any way.  That's my ramble for the day.
Regards,
Rosemary
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