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FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

Started by chessnyt, September 16, 2011, 06:57:24 PM

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The new poll  starting 2-4-2012:  LENR technology

a) will soon lead to the end of the fossil fuel era and become the new standard.
b) will compete with fossil fuels for decades to come eventually replacing them.
c) will not only phase out fossil fuels but will also lead to the trials of the current corrupt powers in charge.
d) will lead to all of the above.

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: gravityblock on February 15, 2012, 07:11:17 PM
The total energy of a system is conserved, but mass is not.  Conservation of energy applies to systems, not to individual bodies.  For a detailed explanation, please see this post (reply #132) in reference to Frank Wilczek's book, titled "The Lightness of Being: Mass, Ether, and Unification of the Forces".

Please, no comments on this until you have actually read the post.

Thanks,

Gravock

Gravock, with the utmost respect, I would propose that not even Frank Wilczek has resolved LENR.  If you yourself have managed this - then I think we'd all be very interested in seeing your proposals.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

gravityblock

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on February 15, 2012, 08:52:59 PM
Gravock, with the utmost respect, I would propose that not even Frank Wilczek has resolved LENR.  If you yourself have managed this - then I think we'd all be very interested in seeing your proposals.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

Where did I ever claim that Frank Wilczek has resolved LENR?  I never did!  In addition to this, you never read the post which I referenced.  If you did, then you didn't understand it.  The post I referenced has nothing to do with Frank Wilczek being able to resolve LENR, but has everything to do with how to correctly apply and understand the mass-energy equation.  I will repeat and make it in bold. 

The total energy of a system is conserved, but mass is not.  Conservation of energy applies to systems, not to individual bodies.  Conservation of energy does not apply to individual bodies.  Read and try to comprehend the reference link I previously posted, so you may better understand the portions in bold, which is relevant to the claims made by Rossi or any other person claiming COP > 1.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: gravityblock on February 15, 2012, 09:35:41 PM
Where did I ever claim that Frank Wilczek has resolved LENR?  I never did!  In addition to this, you never read the post which I referenced.  If you did, then you didn't understand it.  The post I referenced has nothing to do with Frank Wilczek being able to resolve LENR, but has everything to do with how to correctly apply and understand the mass-energy equation.  I will repeat and make it in bold. 

The total energy of a system is conserved, but mass is not.  Conservation of energy applies to systems, not to individual bodies.  Conservation of energy does not apply to individual bodies.  Read and try to comprehend the reference link I previously posted, so you may better understand the portions in bold, which relates to the claims made by Rossi or any other person claiming COP > 1.

Gravock

My dear Gravock,

I most certainly DID read that link.  But I am not even referring to that - in my reply.  What I'm asking is this?  Do you have a way to resolve the lack of emissions?...is all.  THAT would really be of interest.  Because LENR is the topic under discussion.  Smokey and Mark S Coffman seem to think that there's a required 'conservation of energy' .  Which is not appropriate to LENR.  You point out Wilczek's proposal that mass is related to 'velocity' - which I am not sure I buy into - but nonetheless.  The fact is that whatever Wilczek's proposals - there is no compliance to the conservation of mass to energy in the Third Law of Thermodynamics.  Nuclear interactions ONLY require the conservation of CHARGE. 

I most certainly did NOT intend to be confrontational Gravock.  I was simply asking. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary
:)

gravityblock

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on February 15, 2012, 09:49:27 PM
My dear Gravock,

I most certainly DID read that link.  But I am not even referring to that - in my reply.  What I'm asking is this?  Do you have a way to resolve the lack of emissions?...is all.  THAT would really be of interest.  Because LENR is the topic under discussion.  Smokey and Mark S Coffman seem to think that there's a required 'conservation of energy' .  Which is not appropriate to LENR.  You point out Wilczek's proposal that mass is related to 'velocity' - which I am not sure I buy into - but nonetheless.  The fact is that whatever Wilczek's proposals - there is no compliance to the conservation of mass to energy in the Third Law of Thermodynamics.  Nuclear interactions ONLY require the conservation of CHARGE. 

I most certainly did NOT intend to be confrontational Gravock.  I was simply asking. 

Kindest regards,
Rosemary
:)

Rosemary

Where did you get that Wilczek proposed mass is related to velocity?  You're confusing mass with energy.  When the velocity increases, then the energy increases, while it's mass remains the same.  Energy and mass are not proportional to each other for moving bodies.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: gravityblock on February 15, 2012, 09:55:40 PM
Rosemary

Where did you get that Wilczek proposed mass is related to velocity?  You're confusing mass with energy.  When the velocity increases, then the energy increases, while it's mass remains the same.

Gravock

Thanks for the clarification Gravock.  Now.  Do you have something to tell us related to LENR?  We're all trying to find out if there is anything on offer that resolves this.  That would really be interesting.

Thanks,
Rosemary