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FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

Started by chessnyt, September 16, 2011, 06:57:24 PM

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The new poll  starting 2-4-2012:  LENR technology

a) will soon lead to the end of the fossil fuel era and become the new standard.
b) will compete with fossil fuels for decades to come eventually replacing them.
c) will not only phase out fossil fuels but will also lead to the trials of the current corrupt powers in charge.
d) will lead to all of the above.

Rosemary Ainslie

Hi again, Chess - all,

My own money is still on Rossi.  If he's trying to enrich himself - then so will anyone who goes into production.  It's true.  It's the ONLY real incentive to manufacturing anything - ever.  And we're relying on a 'fast track' delivery system.  And if he's looking to financial advantage from the sale of this.  Then bully for him.  I'll happily contribute.  And I'd be glad if Defkalion also manage to sell.  Because that may help to chase down prices.  And I'm glad that they're quarreling.  Else they'd be colluding and that would promote monopolies.  Again.  So.  As far as I'm concerned the more that manufacture - the merrier.  But just remember.  We can learn from Rossi's E-cat.  We certainly can't from Defkalion's.  And I'm only really interested in learning something about a technology and then?  Hopefully taking it further

I've just seen the length of this post.  I'll be accused of 'writing too much'.  I've therefore transposed the most of this to my blog.  For those who don't mind my writing then here's the link.

http://newlightondarkenergy.blogspot.com/2012/02/258-between-rock-and-hard-place.html.

By the way (BTW)?  Did anyone pick up on the fact that Rossi want's his little 'package' returned after use?  LOL.  I'll put money on it that he's likely to recycle some nickel AND sell some copper and sundry trace elements.  Maybe this is a good thing.  Nothing wrong with recycling.  Very much in the spirit of clean green.

And for those who are concerned about being at risk on an early order of the E-cat.  Apparently its not a problem.  It's not so much an 'order' as it is an 'intention to buy' which, contractually is not binding.  I think he uses this to as a kind of required statistical market evaluation to do his production planning.  Which is fair. 

As ever.  For those of us who want to keep our dependencies to a minimum - I think the best thing we can do is follow in Gwandau's footsteps.  From where I sit, our best target reach is a complete DECOUPLING from that supply grid.  
Kindest regards
Rosemary

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gravityblock

Below is a quote by dajubester, which can be found in the comments on the PESN site I previously referenced.

Quote from: dajubester
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Secondly: A factory to manufacture a million units "a year". What on earth is that? There are two hundred million houses and offices in the US alone who "would embrace this technology". When asked what does he project to manufacture in three or five years, he says that he can not put a number to that question. Instead he replies that it would be dictated by the market.
 
Well let me tell you that if you are selling a computer-sized gizmo for $400. or $500, that produces ten Kw power, with a ten-dollar price to recharge a cartridge that gives you six months service, that is eco friendly, etc, you'd better get you butt in gear to produce fifty million a year......'cause I want at least three of them. Something's not adding up.
 
Also, what's this comment at the end of the interview about all the risk, the uncertainty and the concern from whence come the investment money? He does not want to accept investment from a private family savings. He will only accept money from investment entities such as hedge funds, so as to, I quote: "If things go wrong and money is lost, no one will cry." This tells me that Rossi has no more confidence in this project than many including myself.

Lastly, where is the discussion on how Rossi is to keep the globalist PTB at bay when he risks to upset the status quo. No mention of concern for his safety. Many have disappeared taking on BP, ExxonMobil, Royal Dutch Shell,and Monsanto. Where are the international bankers, the Rothschilds, G H W Bush, and Rockefellers in this equation? Is Allan hired to field these topics to assure that it is not brought up? The real tough questions have not been asked. Why is that? ??? ???

The military establishment will be first in line.  Next in line will be federal, state, county, and local governments.  Then the power companies.  Big corporations will more than likely come before the general public.  This is assuming of course the governments don't decide to heavily regulate this technology.  Rossi has no control over this.  It also must be UL approved.  Then there will be groups slowing this process down in the courts while they claim these nuclear reactions could never be safe.  So much red-tape in trying to get this into the hands of the general public.  Also, why bother to integrate this technology into Power Plants if the general public will have access to the e-Cats.  This is redundant and would never be profitable for the Power Plants.  In addition to this, the government will want to pass laws on how to tax this technology based on the amount of power it delivered to you.

On top of that, a production of 1 million units per year is miniscule compared to the general public.  There are two hundred million houses and offices in the US alone who "would embrace this technology".   At this rate, It would take 200 years just supply the U.S.  Sure, there may be other production lines added down the road, but it takes time to get these facilities built, money raised, obtaining the necessary licenses, contracts negotiated, bottle-necks in the production lines worked out, employees trained and up to speed, etc.

Rossi is even concerned about all the risk, the uncertainty and the concern from whence come the investment money? He does not want to accept investment from a private family savings. He will only accept money from investment entities such as hedge funds, so as to, I quote: "If things go wrong and money is lost, no one will cry."

Dick Smith can't just purchase one of the 1 MW units from Rossi, if Rossi won't sell one to him.  Why would Rossi sell him a device which he could back engineer and give to the general public before he has the opportunity to fulfill the orders for the first in line customers?

I suggest to start building now instead of waiting for this to come to you, because it could be 10+ years before the first e-Cat is sold to the general public, assuming of course it's allowed to become available to us.  And then, an additional 20+ years before the ecat's even begin to make a dent in the world's total population. Then we must ask ourselves why this isn't making it into the mainstream media outlets.  This appears to be a big red flag.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Rosemary Ainslie

I agree with you Gravock.  But I'm not sure how far we can take this without the 'secret sauce'.  There's the impression that there's an active catalyst that is REQUIRED.  Else the system does not work.  Which means that we'd need to uncover this ingredient - or wait for this to come out.  Which will absolutely be not later than the sale of that first unit.

I do not think that there's any expected 'hold up' to the production of those heater systems.  Rossi's done his homework.  But they're not going to make us grid free.  It'll only reduce the cost of heating your houses during winter.  So.  Again.  I absolutely agree with you.  The ideal is to press on with the systematic unfolding - if possible - of Rossi's recipe.  And I also think that this is related to the pre-heating of that 'mix'.  He keeps hinting at this.  In fact he specifically referenced Coulomb's Law.  Which is intriguing.  Because, that, in turn is related to our electromagnetic interaction which IS a weak interaction.  No expected toxic emissions.  The surprise is that this is more than enough to transmute elements.  The assumption has always been that this transmutation requires the kind of 'hot' that's the exclusive property of exploding stars.  So.  What does he mean by this reference?  I'd say that perhaps he's got some iron in that mix to allow for an inductive process to initialise the interaction?  Something like that?  Not sure.  Nor have I any way of proving this.  I'm not even an electrical engineer - let alone a chemist.  But nor am I that sure that the 'resonance' comes into this - except possibly in that initialisation process.  We're dealing with what is described, in Rossi's registered name for the E-Cat - 'A NEW KIND OF FIRE'.  Which certainly DOES intrigue me.  Because that sort of has echoes of something that I'm rather obsessed with.

In any event.  I absolutely, entirely, without qualification - agree.  We really do need to work on that rather elusive 'flavour' that Rossi gets from his own application of so called 'cold fusion'.  But I, personally, would not know where to begin.  My best bet is that we wait to see when those units are manufactured.  I respect the fact that he won't allow individual investment.  Quite apart from everything else - his detractors could use just this as an excuse to ENTIRELY close down his operation.  And that he's building the first factory - looking for a site to the second - is proof that there's plenty of money behind this.  And investors - even hedge fund investors - don't part with their money idly.  In fact - that there is that much investment, is proof positive that the E-cat works.

But back to your point.  We really, really need to find out how this works.  Because then I'm absolutely satisfied that our purchase of the E-cat and the building of our own - will be our option to choose.  And that's where we need to be if we want to be rid of monopolistic control.  Actually - I'll go further.  I am reasonably satisfied that the dynamic participation of all of us in this forums - is a reflection of that need.  I think we want to be shot of the apron strings that are still tying us to our nanny states.  And we sure as hell are well able to decide our own destinies.  Long over due that we get that chance. Apart form obvious advantages it'll put us all in a position to control the price of living.  Which thus far has NOT been something we could even think of controlling.  That's been the right of Governments and monopolists.  And we've all had to pick up the tab.  Like a whole bunch of mindless worker ants.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary   

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gravityblock

Quote from: Rosemary Ainslie on February 18, 2012, 03:27:01 AM
I agree with your Gravock.  But I'm not sure how far we can take this without the 'secret sauce'.  There's the impression that there's an active catalyst that is REQUIRED.  Else the system does not work.  Which means that we'd need to uncover this ingredient - or wait for this to come out.  Which will absolutely be not later than the sale of that first unit.

I assure you, we can take this all the way in a relatively short period of time if we start experimenting and building now.  I challenge anyone to take me up on this.  I know Rossi's catalyst or 'secret sauce' relates to elements and not to certain processes, but this 'secret sauce' isn't as critical as the very propitiatory RF Generator he refers to.  Rossi's claims that it won't work without the catalyst is just a smoke screen to steer people away from the RF Generator.  I am almost nearly 100% certain Rossi's RF Generator is based around Dr. Stiffler's Spatial Energy Coherence device, which is a very propitiatory RF Generator related to Znidarsic's quantum transitional speed.  The main ingredients for the catalysts are already known.  We know there's at least nickel and hydrogen.  Lead, aluminum, copper, and water would be a good place to start.  I would definitely throw some bucky balls into the sauce.  I believe the ingredients for the 'secret sauce' can be found relatively easy through a little experimentation and research.  This technology isn't that far from our reach.  Trust me on this

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Rosemary Ainslie

Quote from: gravityblock on February 18, 2012, 03:47:48 AM
I assure you, we can take this all the way in a relatively short period of time if we start experimenting and building now.  I challenge anyone to take me up on this.  I know Rossi's catalyst or 'secret sauce' relates to elements and not to certain processes, but this 'secret sauce' isn't as critical as the very propitiatory RF Generator he refers to.  I am almost nearly 100% certain Rossi's RF Generator is based around Dr. Stiffler's Spatial Energy Coherence device, which is a very propitiatory RF Generator related to Znidarsic's quantum transitional speed.  The main ingredients for the catalysts are already known.  We know there's at least nickel and hydrogen.  Lead, aluminum, and water I strongly suspect also.  I would definitely throw some bucky balls into the sauce.  I believe the ingredients for the 'secret sauce' can be found relatively easy through a little experimentation and research.  This technology isn't that far from our reach.  Trust me on this

Gravock

Then count me in.  And I think that Chess would also be more than interested.  Nor is he a beginner at this. Where does one start?  A new thread?  Or is it still appropriate here?  And fortunately I am enough of a beginner to need the MOST SIMPLE of INSTRUCTIONS.  That way there will be no preclusions - based on - prior lack of knowledge of any of our members.

So.  How about it?  Gravock - Chess  - all?

Rosemary