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FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

Started by chessnyt, September 16, 2011, 06:57:24 PM

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The new poll  starting 2-4-2012:  LENR technology

a) will soon lead to the end of the fossil fuel era and become the new standard.
b) will compete with fossil fuels for decades to come eventually replacing them.
c) will not only phase out fossil fuels but will also lead to the trials of the current corrupt powers in charge.
d) will lead to all of the above.

chessnyt

Quote from: Gwandau on February 28, 2012, 02:44:13 PM
Let's just hope Andrea Rossi has a high level security set around him,
it would be unbearable to hear about him die in some mysterious car accident.

Gwandau

@Gwandau
Yes, murder would not be beneath the oil cartels as we have seen this before (at least those who believe that Stan Meyer was poisoned to death and that JFK was shot in the head from the front) when someone comes close to threatening the almighty profits of their corporations.

On top of the over-polution problem and false flag wars waged in the name of black gold, it's the greed factor that is at the pinnacle (the kissing cousin of selfishness). Because most people know that greed is a weakness and a major character flaw that can never serve the common good and always leads to the selfdestruction of its owners. 

It's the same disease that Hitler suffered from which proved to be terminal, as it has been in every case in the entire history of humanity.  Greed is a master that can never be satisfied.
This disease drives all evil men to such things as murder and human suffering and must be eradicated by mankind in every instance.

Rossi is very familiar with the tactices of the oil cartels and the Arabs.  They have attacked him before through blackmail and slander.  They fought very hard to discredit Rossi in the beginning and tried to portray him and his technology as a fraud. 

Next, they will not try to stop him through smear campaigns.  They will get nasty.  But I believe Rossi must be prepared for such things as he does use in house security at his demonstrations and Rossi is not naive about his enemy (at the expense of past examples with other inventors and presidents).


Regards,

Chess

gravityblock

Quote from: chessnyt on March 02, 2012, 06:20:47 PM

@Gwandau
Yes, murder would not be beneath the oil cartels as we have seen this before (at least those who believe that Stan Meyer was poisoned to death and that JFK was shot in the head from the front) when someone comes close to threatening the almighty profits of their corporations.


I don't think the oil industry is that much of a threat.  The oil industry does invest in alternative energies, such as wind, solar, etc., so it wouldn't surprise me if they also invest in LENR.   The governments are the real threat.  The U.S. dollar is the world's reserve currency for oil.  This means oil is traded only in U.S. dollars, regardless of the countries involved.  For example, Japan has to purchase oil in U.S. dollars.  The U.S. is the only country who can legally print U.S. dollars.  The U.S. purchases oil with the money they freely print, then the U.S. citizens pay again at the gas pump, which is given back to the oil producing countries.  For example, the U.S purchases x amount of barrels from Saudi Arabia at the current market value with the money they freely print.  Then the U.S. citizens pay Saudi Arabia again for x amount of barrels at the gas pump.   

This means the oil producing countries of the world is being paid twice for the same purchase of oil in the U.S.  This is the reason why gas is nearly twice as much in Sweden as it is in the U.S.  All oil producing countries, except for Iraq and Iran, has agreed to pay the U.S. national debt if the U.S. makes a certain percentage of oil purchases from them, instead of using their own locally produced oil.  The U.S. national debt is being paid at the gas pump.  There is enough oil on the Northern slopes of Alaska to supply the U.S. with oil for more that 400 years.  Not one drop of this oil is making it's way into the U.S. market.  LENR and similar technologies making it's way into the market will guarantee the U.S national debt is not paid at the gas pump, which will devalue the U.S. dollar to a worthless level and the price of gas will rise to levels never seen in the U.S., and the oil producing countries of the world will be left to shoulder this burden.  This will collapse the world economies, including the U.S.  If this technology is allowed to make it to the market, then it's because they have a hidden agenda.  There's been talk of de-listing the U.S. dollar as the world's reserve currency for oil, so something is definitely going on.  Hopefully they can come to an agreement which is beneficial to all without a global economic collapse. 

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.

Gwandau

gravock,

you are certainly depicting a scaring scenario, and no doubt a scenario that would be absolutely valid,
if it was not for the unpredictable new parameters we today have to take into consideration living in a world of change.

The energy situation today will strongly aid the swiftness of adaption to new alternative energy technologies,
and we may be standing at the brink of a completely new type of world economy, based upon completely new values.

We cannot exclude the possibility that Andrea Rossi actually got connections in the US government, backing him up.

It is well known that one of the chief executives in the Ampenergo board of directors,
Robert Gentile, was the former head at the office for fossile energy at the US Department
of Energy in the early 90s. Maybe there is a lot more positive things in action than meets the eye.

Andrea Rossi has several times emphasized the importance of doing the startup of his energy revolution in the US
without giving us any direct hardware clues to why this decision was made, more than just saying he wants to support the US.
Maybe his move is a planned scheme together with the US government to get the US economy back on its feet again,
contrary to the scenario depicted by gravock.

If the LENR revolution is introduced to the world market through the US only, this will give US an upper hand.

I am quite sure the E-cat trust has a team of lawyers working right now with law suits to be put at the Defkalion
or anyone else trying to copy the catalytic reaction patent which was filed several years before anyone else.
Andrea Rossi will fight them when the time comes, be sure of that. They stole his idea right in front of his eyes,
and we all know about his feelings for the Defkalion group.


If such a scenario is the case, the future LENR technology in its developed stage will once again make the US the world leading economy.
Everything will be run by this cheap and clean energy source, cars, homes, trains, ocean liners, electricity plants, space exploration, you name it.


I really hope this is the case, but it is really hard to be sure in any direction, there are so many unknown parameters at work here.

Interesting times it is for sure.

Gwandau

Rosemary Ainslie

I'm with you on this summation Gwandau.  There's no question that Defkalion are going to have to answer to their use of whatever catalyst Rossi's using.  And I'm impressed by the fact that Rossi doesn't argue this.  He plays his cards close.  Which is as it should be.  But the facts are too that if Defkalion are challenged - then in terms of international patent requirements - they can't be stopped from using the technology.  They can only be called on to pay a royalty.  And I very much doubt that they can get past their non disclosure agreements by simply making their units implode - if they're opened or inspected.  That's ridiculous.

But I don't think that the USA are going to be able to keep a monopoly on this device.  In fact - it's just NEVER going to happen.  There's the moral need for underdeveloped countries to have reasonable and quick access to this - and that need is more than enough justification to not only produce their own generators - but to do so at a pace and at a level as required.  Quite apart from which - I'm reasonably sure that there will indeed to multiple players here.  No legislation can stop it.  Precisely because the alternatives will be that we all will be able to build our own - should the purchase of it become fraught.  For whatever reason.

Which means that the USA will need to 'rethink' it's debt obligations.  But I also think that the changes will be that profound that debt considerations will become somewhat irrelevant.  Is it a reasonable proposal to state that IF Rossi is transmuting elements with such ease - that we could thereby use the same processes to change 'whatever' into gold?  Or Plantinum?  And what will that do to the value of the USA's gold reserves?  Or to any concept of a monetary exchange?  When the metal market itself is depreciated because of this new potential for the cheap manufacture of just about anything at all?  And that's still only touching on the fringes of what I suspect will become an archaic reference to the 'concept' of private property.  If all property is thereby devalued - by sheer and easy access - then?  What value does anything at all hold?  Think of artificially manufactured diamonds.  It will cost next to NOTHING to produce them.     

Regards,
Rosemary

gravityblock

Quote from: Gwandau on March 02, 2012, 08:23:51 PM
Andrea Rossi has several times emphasized the importance of doing the startup of his energy revolution in the US
without giving us any direct hardware clues to why this decision was made, more than just saying he wants to support the US.
Maybe his move is a planned scheme together with the US government to get the US economy back on its feet again,
contrary to the scenario depicted by gravock.

This is not contrary to the scenario I depicted.  Read my last sentence in my previous post.  I said, "Hopefully they can come to an agreement which is beneficial to all without a global economic collapse."  My previous post describes how things have been since Henry Kissenger and it is still true to this day.  If our governments come together with the right intentions, then all may be well.  If not, then things don't look good if LENR makes it to the market.  I'm giving it to you straight up.  I'm not going to sugar coat it.  We don't know what's going on behind the scenes.  All we can do is hope for the best.  The main intentions of my previous post was to show how the oil industry isn't as much of a threat as our governments are.  And I gave reasons for this, which are accurate.  If changes aren't made to our current system of things and LENR makes it to the market, then it doesn't look good.  It appears you can't handle the truth.

Gravock
Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

God will confuse the wise with the simplest things of this world.  He will catch the wise in their own craftiness.