FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[fuzzytomcat]

@fuzzytomcat:
I appreciate and thank you for your constructive input into this discussion.  The certification process is one area Andrea Rossi has been diligently working on personally to expedite (if possible) the UL's timely approval.  If you care to read back through the thread, you will learn that this topic was originally addressed by Andrea Rossi some time ago.  This having been said, you can understand that Rossi has not overlooked this obstacle from the onset.

This is what Andrea Rossi has to say about the UL certification status today:

"The certification process is going on. By the way, yesterday I spent all the day with the certification engineers and we made substantial progress. In this very moment I am working at my desk to make the paper work they asked me yesterday. It will take all today (Saturday) and tomorrow (Sunday), just to give you an idea of our endeavours on this issue." --Andrea Rossi


Regards,

Chess

@ Chess

The news of the start of the Certification process is interesting as you know the device or item wanting a Certification from a testing agency is looking not if the product works but looks at the "as advertized" item or device for its complete safety during operation in this instance "full load" of the device under test. This would mean if the Certification process is being done that there is functional product that could be tested and the inventor is documenting the devices full operation disclosure to UL ( Underwriters Laboratory ) so they know what to expect or scope the of device for the proper type of testing and evaluation for the model or each model that will be sold to get its UL Certification Listing.

This is a long and expensive process to only guarantee the item or device is "safe" for use for the consumer the last step to Walmart !! 

Cheers,
Fuzzy

[MileHigh]

Chess:

Thanks for correcting my mix-up between Defkalion and Rossi for the licensing issue.   Glad to hear Rossi is stating that he is looking at industrial heating applications.  I think that is the killer application.  There are still issues with credibility there again though, because his choice of words there don't sound right at all to me.  If you read between the lines I believe that it's telling you that he knows very little about the industrial heating market and what it's looking for.  For example, this line, "put our plants adjacent to their network to produce (thermal) energy, inject it in their (thermal) grid."  I have never heard of a "heat grid" or a "thermal grid" in my life.  Of course I am not versed in this stuff myself.  All the same, this time I am not going to give Rossi the benefit of the doubt because English is not his native tongue in this case.  I am going to assume that he was just winging it and came up with that obtuse terminology on the spot.

Think about this:  Suppose you run an asphalt plant that produces asphalt in a near-continuous process.  In three steps in the process you need massive amounts of heat to create the asphalt and then keep the asphalt warm.  So, you could perhaps use electric heaters or natural gas heaters, or you could use an industrial E-Cat.  Each of the three systems will require a certain type of heat exchanger to provide the proper type of heat to the three steps in the asphalt manufacturing process.  Can an industrial E-Cat do that for less dollars per year than electricity or natural gas?  That's the real issue.

MileHigh

P.S.:  Sorry there is an invisible control character making the text bold.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Ok guys,

I'm still concerned.  Here's why.  If Rossi supplements our grid suppliers then we'll still be doing business with our grid monopolists.  And they, traditionally, have not been known to keep a trim pencil.  And if Defkalion nominate one supplier per country - then we'll not be shot of our monopolists.  The nightmare scenario is this.  They replace our nuclear reactors with cold fusion and maintain their monopolistic interests and supplies via traditional and existing infrastructures.  Which leaves us precisely where we are - but without any excuse to complain about the continued abuses to our poor Mother Earth's requirement for less carbon dioxide.

Then I see the cover up.  Nickel becomes less readily available.  The understandings related to cold fusion are lost in the explanations that are related to sundry patents and they remain obtuse - less than explicit.  Cold fusion is classified 'dangerous' and the public are precluded from implementing their own 'home grown' versions.  Proof of gamma ray toxicity will be leaked out - and we, the public, will be warned against 'playing' with this.  Warned against researching it in any way at all.  Then Rossi will be further discredited - his reputation so easily associated as it is with insinuations of prior criminal convictions (already hinted at here) and his patents systematically 'taken over' by our Governments - under the banner of the best interests of the public good.  Then we'll be left PRECISELY where we are.  Which is the second most exploitable commodity after cold fusion.  Because we'll not be able to rid ourselves of all that VESTED INTEREST and we'll be dancing to their tune at a fee structuring that is less than palatable.

And those of us who can still afford it will buy our generators to heat our homes - or fill our baths - at a price that is only fractionally more competitive than our grid supplier - who does nothing to adjust his costs downwards - notwithstanding the gross reduction to his costs of production.  And all this enabled through the artifice of insinuation and through the naive hopes that someone - somewhere - will take care of our best interests.  Frankly - as things are trending - I already see the confusions that results from the lack of understanding even as it relates to the science behind this.  Look at MileHigh's concerns related to the definition of emissions.  Look at TK's concerns related to the Rossi's character and integrity.  Look at other posters' concerns related to the licensing.  It is setting the stage for compliance and dependance on the opinions and allegations.  And that's not how science works. The more so - when the actual challenge is that we all need to become our own experts that we can make use of this energy either through our own home grown versions - or through the more creative application of all that steam that the E-cat can give us to power our own generators.  Because that is the only way that we can get rid of any further monopolistic control.  And for me personally, anything short of that is absolutely NOT enough.

Guys.  I believe, sincerely, that the only way to protect our own bests interests is to ensure - that as a body - we are able to orchestrate some kind of effective voice to insist that the technology is NOT dangerous when there are implications made that they are CHALLENGED.  And that we are able to exercise our full rights to apply what we buy as we require it.  Which means that we can modify applications to run those generators which should be feasible. 

Which is my tuppence worth.
Regards,
Rosemary

[Rosemary Ainslie]

Chess:

Think about this:  Suppose you run an asphalt plant that produces asphalt in a near-continuous process.  In three steps in the process you need massive amounts of heat to create the asphalt and then keep the asphalt warm.  So, you could perhaps use electric heaters or natural gas heaters, or you could use an industrial E-Cat.  Each of the three systems will require a certain type of heat exchanger to provide the proper type of heat to the three steps in the asphalt manufacturing process.  Can an industrial E-Cat do that for less dollars per year than electricity or natural gas?  That's the real issue.

MileHigh

P.S.:  Sorry there is an invisible control character making the text bold.

MileHigh.  According to the evidence it should be possible to asphalt our roads at about 6 times less the cost of current production fees.  Which I think is significant.

Regards,
Rosemary

- I think we all know something about that 'BOLD' control.  Someone should tell Harti.

[TinselKoala]

Think about this:  Suppose you run an asphalt plant that produces asphalt in a near-continuous process.  In three steps in the process you need massive amounts of heat to create the asphalt and then keep the asphalt warm.  So, you could perhaps use electric heaters or natural gas heaters, or you could use an industrial E-Cat.  Each of the three systems will require a certain type of heat exchanger to provide the proper type of heat to the three steps in the asphalt manufacturing process.  Can an industrial E-Cat do that for less dollars per year than electricity or natural gas?  That's the real issue.

MileHigh

P.S.:  Sorry there is an invisible control character making the text bold.

All you have to do is highlight the text you want "unbolded" and press the button second from the right, just above the smileys.