FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[MileHigh]

TK:

Yes I tried the "remove formatting" button in the previous posting with no success.  I had problems trying to highlight characters within the quoted text below so I deselected the bold formatting for everything.  It seems to only work outside of quoted text.

Rosemary:

Guys.  I believe, sincerely, that the only way to protect our own bests interests is to ensure - that as a body - we are able to orchestrate some kind of effective voice to insist that the technology is NOT dangerous when there are implications made that they are CHALLENGED.

The simple truth is that we are in a holding pattern about the relative danger of the final product.  We just don't have enough information to state one way or the other.  This is a situation where you want to err on the side of caution and the good news is that you can expect that the UL processes in place will work.  (If that really is being done.)

This is a quote from a document posted about two weeks ago:

The E-cat was then put in self sustained mode for almost four hours,
showing no measurable signs of weakening.

After three hours and a half, output temperature inside the E-cat was
stable about 114 degrees centigrade, and water could be felt boiling
putting a hand on top of it. The external temperature was between 60 and
85 degrees centigrade.

At the end of the test, the heat production was slowed down by
eliminating hydrogen pressure and increasing the water flow from the
peristaltic pump through the E-cat. 

What I was trying to highlight was "and water could be felt boiling putting a hand on top of it."  Alarm bells went off in my head the first time I read that.  That means that the water flow rate through the reactor was not high enough and/or the reaction was "spikey" in heat production such that spontaneous boiling was happening where the heat was being produced.  The author of the text is in totally ignorant bliss but there was nothing to be blissful about in this situation.

What does it mean if there is some spontaneous boiling of water inside the reactor?  It means that where there is supposed to be a continuous flow of water drawing away the excess heat from the reactor, there was steam.  And that means that all of a sudden you lose the ability to draw away the excess heat production because the steam is acting like an insulating layer.  That could be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and the reactor could fail and have an internal meltdown.

I also read statements somewhere about Rossi having problems controlling the reaction.

So all of you Rossi supporters need to take off your rose-coloured glasses and realize that if this technology is real, like any other technology there will be advantages and disadvantages associated with it.  This is not a hippie romp in a field collecting flowers where everything is benign and all is bliss and nobody can do any wrong.  This business about copying the reactor design and making your own "home-brew fusion reactor" is completely ridiculous talk considering the amount of information that you have at your disposal.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Rosemary:

MileHigh.  According to the evidence it should be possible to asphalt our roads at about 6 times less the cost of current production fees.  Which I think is significant.

I think what you really mean is that the energy costs for producing the heat for those parts of the process that require bulk heat will decrease.  We still haven't factored in the capital costs of the reactor and installation and which might be amortized over 25 years.  Then there will be ongoing maintenance and fuel costs also.  These things all typically boil down to a return on investment (ROI) calculation.

I notice that you didn't acknowledge that this whole concept is not free energy, it's atomic energy (allegedly).  You have to start learning to acknowledge your mistakes Rosemary because that should be part and parcel of your upcoming thread as the debate progresses.  If you don't do that, just like anyone in the debate should do the same if they are wrong, then you will start to inject toxicity into the debate.  That could easily blow up and you don't want that to happen.

MileHigh

[firlight]

@Everyone:
More good news on the radar!  Defkalion is beginning to release details of their third party testing by reputable private and public organizations from Europe and America. 

Here is an excerpt:

DGT plans to have a full working prototype ready by July 2012
One license per country will be available to potential licensees
40.5 million Euros is the license fee for a factory capable of producing 300,000 Hyperion units annually.

DGT states, “Defkalion has conducted third party tests on its core technology by internationally recognized and reputable private and public organizations from Europe and America. Today, there is solid, unambiguous evidence confirming our technology. We are at the dawn of a new era of clean, inexpensive, limitless renewable energy.”

The article can be found at the following link:

http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/04/defkalion-green-technologies-communicates-with-interested-parties/

When it rains good news, IT POURS!!!


GET EXCITED!!!

Chess 

Hi chess some more good news.
Regards Dave
http://www.e-catworld.com/

[lumen]

What I was trying to highlight was "and water could be felt boiling putting a hand on top of it."  Alarm bells went off in my head the first time I read that.  That means that the water flow rate through the reactor was not high enough and/or the reaction was "spikey" in heat production such that spontaneous boiling was happening where the heat was being produced.  The author of the text is in totally ignorant bliss but there was nothing to be blissful about in this situation.

What does it mean if there is some spontaneous boiling of water inside the reactor?  It means that where there is supposed to be a continuous flow of water drawing away the excess heat from the reactor, there was steam.  And that means that all of a sudden you lose the ability to draw away the excess heat production because the steam is acting like an insulating layer.  That could be EXTREMELY DANGEROUS and the reactor could fail and have an internal meltdown.

I also read statements somewhere about Rossi having problems controlling the reaction.

So all of you Rossi supporters need to take off your rose-coloured glasses and realize that if this technology is real, like any other technology there will be advantages and disadvantages associated with it.  This is not a hippie romp in a field collecting flowers where everything is benign and all is bliss and nobody can do any wrong.  This business about copying the reactor design and making your own "home-brew fusion reactor" is completely ridiculous talk considering the amount of information that you have at your disposal.

MileHigh

MileHigh:
Your statement only tells me that you do not fully understand the operation of the reactions requirements! It is indeed necessary to have some area inside the reactor at very high temperatures to maintain the reaction because if you cool the core too well the reaction will stop.
The process requires the temperature of the nickel to be within a window to maintain the reaction where if it's too cold the reaction slows and stops and if too hot the nickel melts and the reaction stops.

If you could think more along the lines of a red hot steel bar with a flame heating one end and the other end in water to try to keep it cool. If the hot end gets too hot it would start to melt but you could prevent this by submersing more of the bar, and if the hot end gets too cool you could raise more of the bar out of the water.
The words "EXTREMELY DANGEROUS" is your fear of the unknown! Possibly the worst condition is if the water flow stops and the core overheats and before it melts down and stops the water pressure increases and the unit explodes! This is about the same danger as your current HOT WATER HEATER with the pop-off valve to prevent this problem.

So if you were to take off your dark shades of fear, I suppose you could see the real danger/process for what it is.

[Rosemary Ainslie]

MileHigh

So what am I implying by the term "real truth?"  The implication is that what one perceives to be the truth is not necessarily the truth.  You perceive through the window of your own preconceptions, ignorance, and prejudice.  Who is anyone to say what the "truth" is if they are not fully informed?  That problem runs rampant on the free energy forums.

Are you talking about preconceptions, ignorance and prejudice generally or to your own - specifically?  It is courtesy the hard efforts of our members here who keep up as fully informed on the E-Cat development as far as is humanly possible - that we do not comment from a position of ignorance.  And since the reports are factual then comments are not based on ignorance.  And any prejudice would only be reflected in one's reluctance to accept the facts of those reports.

You say, "FINALLY attesting to the reality of over unity" because you think that's a true statement.  But the "real truth" is that this stuff has never ever been pitched as over unity.  This is supposed to be a system that runs on nuclear power, and that by definition is not over unity.  So what you are counting down to is something that is supposed to be attesting to the reality of low energy nuclear reactions that are burning nuclear fuel.  Mass is being converted into energy, E = Mc^2.

MileHigh - according to mainstream - there is no such thing as a nuclear reaction that can take place with the input or output of 'low energy'.  If mainstream are wrong then the implications that are related to this cold fusion reaction are far, far more significant than the simple application of this energy as it relates to exploiting its heat signatures.  It would defy the 1st, 2nd and 3rd laws of Thermodynamics.  For starters.  And, while no-one in their right mind would doubt that E=Mc^2, the actual question is what is that 'E'?  That Energy?  If it is not, in fact, nuclear?  So.  There is no ignorance that is related to this question that is not shared by the entire body of mainstream physics as none of us have the answer.  And any prejudice or preconceptions can only be related to 'belief' in the claims related to this science where the facts or the evidence or the 'real truth' as you put it - are discounted on the basis of probability or preconception.  Which, as I keep saying - is not science.  Science first deals with the evidence.  And I'm not sure that those of us who have accepted the reality of cold fusion or LENR are therefore guilty.  We would only be guilty if we denied the evidence in the first place.

From what I gather, one day Rossi talks about it being an LENR fusion process,  and on another day he says it's related to the weak force.  But I think he says the output is basically copper and gamma rays and that's nuclear fusion by definition.  It is not over unity or free energy.

Indeed it IS over unity.  Until there's some viable explanation in terms of standard physics.  Or unless standard physics itself needs revising.

"One producer per country" also sounds overly simplistic and suspicious.  It just doesn't make any business sense.

Then what kind of a business man are you?  If I wanted to get the maximum value for the franchise right to produce a highly salable commodity - then I'd promise national exclusivity.  Because without competition that franchisee will be able to gear his price to the highest possible threshold without any risks of needing to compete against anything at all.  Which is most desirable position to find oneself - if one were a businessman as you put it.  Which is precisely how our monopolists are able to exploit their best advantage.  And - historically - the evidence is that they do.  To an alarming extent.  In fact.  They do it to the point where the most of us users are put in a stranglehold of perpetual and comparative impoverishment.  Simply to use a product which is essential to their lives. In fact their production and expansion costs are that onerous that they fall beholden to our children and our children's children.  In SA it will take up to two generations to recover the costs of their proposed nuclear expansion.  Energy is not something we can do without - be it nuclear or electric or anything at all. And the rampant greed of those energy producers has been promoted with a level of self interest at the expense of the wider public good.

Regards,
Rosemary
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