FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[MileHigh]

Gwandau:

If the process works like they speculate, that hydrogen somehow condenses into a neutron within the nickel matrix as a first step in an LENR reaction, then in my opinion you still work within the norms of nuclear reactions for the energy output calculation.  In other words, the reaction happens, and the resulting energy byproducts of the reaction all add up as per E = Mc-squared and energy is conserved.  You seem to be implying that something else above and beyond that might be happening.

You could take the point of view that anything is possible.  But without any evidence you should hold back.  It looks like any nickel isotope decay will provide energy on the same order of magnitude as is  being claimed.

I wasn't aware that of this theory that it wasn't fusion in the conventional sense, but was an alleged fusion between a nickel nucleus and an ultra low kinetic energy neutron.  It's certainly an interesting idea.

Gravoc:

Thanks for that link, the Hyperian material is indeed a substitute for lead.  You learn something new every day.

What's interesting is that the molten lead or thermoplastic composite shielding material wrapped around the rector core is technically feasible.  They use molten salts in certain types of nuclear reactors to transport the heat into the heat exchanger.   It could explain the one-hour start-up time for the E-Cat.  That would be the amount of time it takes to melt the lead so that it can start to circulate.

When you think about it, if the reactor core is the size of a thimble, or perhaps the size of a 200 ml can for Defkalion, it's hard to understand why it would take an hour to warm up.  Note also in Defkalion's year-old preliminary spec sheet they use some kind of oil as the heat transfer medium.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

Another thing I forgot to mention is this:  With circulating molten lead, then you can buy time and you don't have the problem of the nickel in the reactor core melting because of a failure in primary coolant flow (like water from an external source).

The thermal mass of the molten lead will absorb the 10 kW of heat and if the primary heat exchanger stops extracting heat from the reactor, the temperature of the lead will then start to rise linearly.  So even if it only takes a few seconds for the molten lead to reach a critical temperature, that's more than enough time for the microcontroller to react and shut off the EM wave generator and whatever else is sustaining the reaction.  (The UL guys would insist on a redundant and independent mechanism for shutting down the reactor under these conditions.)

It also allows you to make 600 C steam without it being a big technical challenge.  You just have to slow down the circulation speed of the molten lead to make it's reactor output temperature much higher before it goes into the heat exchanger.  So a tweaking of the control system could do that quite easily.  You could even have the microcontroller running a "fuzzy logic" algorithm to accomplish this.

Alas, I got no sense that the Invasion-of-the-Body-Snatchers pods in the one-megawatt reactor had any sophisticated control systems like I am describing above.  You would expect to see some kind of control/display interface on each one of them if it really was the case.

So, waiting for the really big show.

MileHigh

[chessnyt]

@Everyone:
I read an interesting new article today titled "The Motivating Power of Hope for LENR".  Below is an excerpt from this excellent piece by Frank Aclank:

"I have no illusions about the difficulties and obstacles that need to be dealt with to bring a new technology into the mainstream of society. All kinds of problems â€" technical, financial, political, legal, etc. â€" will need to be dealt with, which may take a lot of time, money, and persuasive power. But it seems that already the LENR genie is out of the bottle, and with so many people around the world now having knowledge of validity of this technology, it is going to be very difficult put it back and pretend it never existed."

Link to the full article:
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/06/the-motivating-power-of-hope/

Enjoy,

Chess

[Gwandau]

MileHigh,

guesses or not, you are brilliant!

Now we are doing progress!

The Swedish scientists estimated the reactor volume with possible inner shielding included to be about 50 cubic centimeters, which is 50 ml or in US roughly 0.106 pints. If the actual reactor core is just a few percent of this volume, and the rest is a surrounding circulatory system of molten lead, it would as far as I understand actually work to generate heat from the gamma emissions of the LENR process!

Here we actually are in the position to calculate the exact volume of the active reactor compartment, since I recall that Andrea Rossi in one of his earlier exhibitions of the e-cat actually gave away the exact amount of hydrogen given in grams together with pressure values when he injected hydrogen into an empty e-cat reactor prior to starting it!

I will go through all my materail to find the data as soon as possible, since this will give us quite a nice view of the reactor size, and from there estimate the amount of volume available for lead in the 50cc reactor.

Great input, MileHigh, thank you very much!


Gwandau

[gravityblock]

That molten lead idea is nice.  (Well, better than nice...)   I seem to have a memory block.  Wasn't the original temp. of the E-Cat lower than the melting point of lead?  While this would be an excellent method, I think that if the original temp was lower, then a different method must have been in use.  While this WOULD be a tremendous improvement in the physical device, I think it would also make the original method questionable as to functionality?

Of course, if I am wrong about the temp of the original unit, then I am way off base, but I was under the impression that the original ran cooler then 400C.

Could someone correct me on this one?

According to Rossi, the lead melting point is a limitation, so far.  At the time Rossi made this statement, the temperature was above the melting point of lead.  It appears the lead was protected by water through a particular design to prevent it from becoming molten. Possibly a work around to this limitation has been achieved since he made this statement.

Gravock