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[MileHigh]

Gwandau:

I can easily answer your question.  However, let me turn the tables for a second, I promise to answer it later.

Do you have information that the rest of us here on earth does not have?

What is the information that you have that suggests that all life on Earth is in imminent peril unless we do something?  If you guys accept this notion as "universally understood" so that you don't even have to discuss it, then there must be some powerful logic behind this idea that everybody accepts.

So, what's your take on it?  Same question for Chess.  The "ultimate nuclear disaster" idea has been stated and duly noted.  I would prefer to hear both of your thoughts, not just some cliches.

MileHigh

[WilbyInebriated]

Gwandau:

I can easily answer your question.  However, let me turn the tables for a second, I promise to answer it later.

What is the information that you have that suggests that all life on Earth is in imminent peril unless we do something?  If you guys accept this notion as "universally understood" so that you don't even have to discuss it, then there must be some powerful logic behind this idea that everybody accepts.

So, what's your take on it?  Same question for Chess.  The "ultimate nuclear disaster" idea has been stated and duly noted.  I would prefer to hear both of your thoughts, not just some cliches.

MileHigh

always with the red herrings... 

[sparks]

   Oh yes life is robust alright.  Darwin's theory of evolution basially states that a species produces copious amounts of offspring in the hopes that mutants will survive nature's attacks. If this is the case then we find that it would be best that people reproduce within their family units and put the newborns out in the backyard to see if they survive.  What we gonna do with the newone x3.14157.  Oh put it out next to y.vector as long as it is antimate.  If not deposit both to cesspool recycle center ...893 we have interesting results in the gas spectroscopy analysis of said units emission generating anomalous heat gains. Oh and by the way when was your last dna exchange your looking mighty fine.  Biologists have found a feedback mechanism whereby the enviroment controls dna program activation if you will.  Meoitic cells carry memory of enviromental conditions and what is working and what is not is passed on to successive off spring.  This is not limited to meoitic cell replications.  The production of chemicals that give us our sense of well being is also controlling what portion of our dna program that we activate as new cells rise from old on a second by second basis throughout our organism.  Some of our species differentiation has spawned an evolutionary product whereby domination over other beings, whether it be other beings worship of them or simply killing other alive things,  allows for activation of predatory encoding that advanced beings share with lower lifeforms of limited intellect such as snakes..  They are a subspecies of man who jumped off the evolutionary train a long time ago.  The pyramids of Egypt are testimony to the rise of this subspecies to power.  The nile river delta was deforrested and millions of lives wasted building glorified piles of rock.  Something like modern skyscrapers owned by dream weavers.

[Gwandau]

MileHigh,

I think we are talking about two different frames of references here, and since it all boils down to the importance to back up 
guys like Andrea Rossi instead of backing up the already upper hand supressors, I will here try to reach your understanding.

Even if you are not sure about the validity of Andrea Rossis claim, it does more harm to be aiding possible suppressors than
supporting someone you are at doubt about. By supporting highly possible breakthroughs like this, we would at least be giving
ourselves a faint chance of changing the present devastating course of mankind.


Yes, I know what you base your statement upon, and even a gigantic natural catastrophy like mass eruptions of volcanoes,
causing a long term freezing night on earth, will of course not make life extinct on earth, and within a few millions of years,
or even sooner, a new set of species will evolve and thrive according to a new ecological matrix.

You can stretch this even further: If you cooked all living cells on earth just as thoroughly dead as the parrot in the Monty Python sketch, experiments
simulating the primeaval soup on earth have indicated that life evolves out of nothing, if only the right surrounding conditions are there.
Given the right mixture and atmosphere, proteins spontaneously are forming into cell-like structures, and so on.

Likewise, if mankind continues to cause global oil and nuclear plant catastrophies in an evermore increased frequency,
we will of course still adapt and survive somehow.

But who cares about adaption to a shit situation, if we are the ones with the full ability to chose not to go down that road?

I am not worried about the continuation of life on earth, I am talking of the death of our present biological balance, and such a death
is much more dire that you seem to understand.

I am worried about the continuation of a healthy abundance of versatile interdependent complexity, making life on earth possible for the present number of humans,
and if you think the eco system is just a number of separate organisms that have found a way to use each other, then you really are stuck in the since long left backwaters.
Ecobiological science of today know everything is part of a whole in a context far beyond old fashion Darwinian evolution theory.

So what I am talking about is the liability to damage of the present eco system in a way that would directly change our ability to thrive on this planet.

Here is one example that is backed up by the scientific community:

If the bees get extinct, a majority of mankind, among many other species, will not survive six years on earth.

That is a hard fact, which is haunting the USA due to their unsolved problem of mass death of bees lately,
causing them to import enormous amounts of new bee hives every year. And bees are known to be very sensitive to pollution,
just like their fellow butterflies and many other insects.

If the bees goes, there is no other organism able to fully take its place for probably houndred of thousands of years or more.
(You know just as well as me or anyone else that the ability to reach the present complexity of the eco systems takes millions of years.)

Even if it was possible, who wants to adapt to a planet were most wild animals have become extinct, and monoculture is the main growth type?

That's just where we are heading in our present direction, through our repeatedly increased violation of the present ecological balance of earth.

If you continously deprive the variety span of species by making species after species extinct, you simultaneously deprive the ecological matrix of its parameters
needed to support the necessary versatility needed for a continous healthy abundance of such multiplicity.

The present abundance and multiplicity of the ecological system of earth is interdependent, if one species goes, several other dependent species also goes.
Adaption through loss of species is nothing but a very long term wound-healing activity, which makes all the surviving species suffer or die during transition.

Easy talk about such adaption feels shallow and non loving.

So talking about our planets ability to survive and adapt great environmental changes is like saying:  I don't care if I cut my spine in two.
I can adapt, I don't need my legs or arms, I can use modern techniques and move my residues on an electric wheelchair, I can Google with eye movements.

I ask you again, where is your heart MileHigh?

Gwandau

[chessnyt]

@MileHigh:
I must agree with Gwandau here.  Although I do believe that certain species have been driven into extinction never to return, be it by humans or natural occurring changes in the environment, I still agree with the statement "But who cares about adaption to a shit situation, if we are the ones with the full ability to chose not to go down that road?"

My take is simply this.  We can continue to damage our environment and keep finding ways to adapt to it or simply choose the alternative route which would be to preserve it as best as we possibly can in the first place. 

It's like a company manufacturing products.  Which is the most profitable approach in manufacturing?  Fixing or recalling a bunch of defective products or preventing the defects in the first place?  You decide.


Chess