FIRST FREE ENERGY DEVICE REACHES MARKET IN OCTOBER -- The Game Changer is Here

[Gwandau]

kokles,

Do you actually have missed the global LENR progress?

You seem quite lost on that sad self appointed old school desillusioned road of yours.

It's just that you are a little late for that kind of attitude.

Of course there are some scammers trying to fool the easy prey, we live in a predatory world, but you can just as easily get
lost in scam paranoia, you are especially prone to that if you have invested a lot of effort in the old school frame of reference.

So don't forget that there actually are people today doing novel discoveries, and also remember that many of these discoverys
did not evolve from orthodox concepts , but to the contrary were the result of people thinking outside the box.

Don't you see what's happening all around you, not only LENR is going into high efficiency state, with or without Andrea Rossi,
but many other great scientific brake-throughs as well, such as just recently high efficiency artificial photosynthesis by researchers from
the Department of Chemistry at the Royal Institute of Technology (KTH) in Stockholm, Sweden, among many other things.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120412105430.htm


Look around you, you are missing the fun, it's 2012 and it's happening all around you.

Gwandau

[e2matrix]

Gwandau,  Young, fresh out of brainwashing school - that explains most of it.   

[chessnyt]

@MileHigh:
I have read many LENR peer reviewed papers but I can't give you an exact count but I would estimate around 20.  Just thought I would clear up this little piece of disinformation while I'm at it.

I saw all of the cut-n-paste comments from PESN.com's comment section.  I just happened to notice that they are all negative comments. But after visiting the site and reading over them myself, I noticed that many of the comments are in support of LENR and Rossi.  So why is it that you have only copied over the negative comments? 

@Everyone:
This just shows more proof to support the existence of a disinformation agenda being carried out here in an attempt to blanket this thread with pure negative propaganda.  It's a campaign and that is why it will continue.  It's surely not objective as these comments have all been cherry picked and selected to fit this smear propaganda campaign.  That is the real truth as to why they are all negative one sided selections.  The propagandists will claim otherwise, just watch 

If it acts like a duck... 

Chess

[MileHigh]

Chess:

It's like you have a disinformation fetish.

Just thought I would clear up this little piece of disinformation while I'm at it.

There wasn't any.  Go back and read what I said.

saw all of the cut-n-paste comments from PESN.com's comment section.  I just happened to notice that they are all negative comments. But after visiting the site and reading over them myself, I noticed that many of the comments are in support of LENR and Rossi.  So why is it that you have only copied over the negative comments? 

To show that there are other people that also have made points that are similar to mine and think like me.  So are we all on the payroll or what?

This just shows more proof to support the existence of a disinformation agenda being carried out here in an attempt to blanket this thread with pure negative propaganda.  It's a campaign and that is why it will continue.

This is simply not true.  After reading the forums for several years in my opinion you are fairly high on the "disinformation-grand conspiracy alleger" scale of one to ten.  I would say that you are about an eight, which is pretty high.

Note the ones that are at ten on the scale are comical kooks.  Those are the people that are convinced when some electronics newbie that barely knows his ass from his elbow and takes down his junky amateur pulse motor clip from YouTube out of embarrassment after five days - they will say, "the MIB did a raid on his house and confiscated his motor and threatened him."

So you are approaching some rarefied territory there Chess, and your association with Rosie, the lady with a MOSFET circuit that doesn't even understand how the MOSFETs switch in her own circuit - that association pulls you higher up that scale.

All of your allegations that I am a "disinformation agent" are ridiculous nonsense.  The last time somebody called me that in earnest was Aaron at the other place.  Aaron writes books about electronics and energy yet he does not even understand how an inductor actually works - no kidding.

So the spaghetti is not sticking dude and the more you say it the more you hurt yourself in my opinion.

I don't get much of a sense that you have much real experience in the real world of electronics and product development and how to mass-produce something.  I have moderate to lots of experience in those disciplines and I am calling it truthfully how I see it.

Those interviews with Rossi are embarrassing, both from the questioner's point of view and from Rossi's point of view.  Sometimes it all looks like a silly game.  Do you remember when the Romero craze really kicked in and people were posting questions to him like, "Should my rotor magnet separation be 12 mm or 16 mm" and Romero would answer "14 mm."  Well that was all complete nonsense, a charade from both sides.  I am not saying that Rossi is as bad as that but sometimes it gets close to that.

The main point being that you are endorsing something like it is "really real" and from my perspective it looks like a house of cards made with slices of Swiss cheese.  And I am not saying that to be a "disinformation agent," I am saying that because that's what the actual evidence is showing us - it's right there in your face if you only would open your eyes.

Nobody even knows how the heat is being generated - and that's a piece of Swiss cheese for you right there.

I have seen such ridiculous folly on the forums over the years - mostly due to a lack of education mixed together with blind belief and extreme hope.  I roll my eyes when I read, "This is based on "cold electricity" that is not understood by mainstream scientists and engineers."  I roll my eyes when I read, "The engineer came over and was amazed by what he saw and he couldn't explain it."  In all cases that is laughable nonsense - there is no such thing as "cold electricity" and the people making those statements barely even understand electronics themselves.

So it hurts to see the Rossi narrative not looking much better that your typical Joe Blow that just discovered that he can get a high-voltage shock from a coil and is convinced that he is dealing with "mysterious alternative 'cold electricity' that 'mainstream does not understand'" when it's a complete farce.

I am trying to seriously follow the Rossi saga and comment as it develops and I have you biting my ankle like some uneducated deluded newbie "cold electricity" fanatic.

That's the way the cookie crumbles.  We DON'T have any solid data from Rossi as per several other people I quoted stated and we SHOULD.   It's a goddamned box with electrical-in, cold-water-in, and hot-water-out.  WTF??  Such a no-brainer and yet we don't have any credible data.

And when the hard-core believers hear that we don't have any credible test data they simply bury their hands in the sand.  There is an analogy with the RomeroUK story once again - there wasn't even any Romero "secret sauce" - some sort of a story line to hook people - just a stupid lousy spinning pulse motor and people went wild.  Imhotep rewired a lousy computer fan and people went wild.  We the observers just have to do better than that, we just have to.  No more sheep and lambs being led off to slaughter, think before you leap!

MileHigh

[sparks]

sparks,

since the very LENR process in itself inhibits any radiation leakage besides infrared heat, the E-Cat seems a lot safer than a conventional Microwave oven.
If you look it up, you will find that this applies for LENR,CANR as well as for LENT processes since these are due to the same reaction syndrome.

There are many products for domestic use containing shielded radioactive material, such as fire alarms and so on,
so I don't think there would be any big problems for the producers of the oncoming LENR market to get things rolling.

You just can't get stuck on the word nuclear power device since it directly aims at the concept Nuclear Reactor ,
and we all know that LENR is NOT a nuclear fusion reaction in its commonly used sense.

By calling the E-cat a nuclear reactor you are deviating from facts. New facts, still to be thoroghly evaulated, but still nothing close to a old school nuclear reaction.

Look around you, there is plenty of questionable radiating marketed products all around us.

Domestic products like microwave ovens are potential killers if the safety switch fails and radiation does not shut down when you open the microwave door.
Within seconds coagulated blood inside your exposed hand will be transported to vital organs such as the heart and the lungs, most likely giving you a lethal thrombus.

And did you know that micro wave ovens are even allowed to emit a certain allowed radiation leakage:
Quote from Autralian standard specifications:
" The microwave leakage at any point 50 millimetres or more from the external surface of the appliance shall not exceed 50 watts per square metre'.
  This Standard applies to ovens designed for domestic applications."

To sum all this, to label the E-Cat as a nuclear reactor as explained by conventional science is same as posting false and misleading information.

Please guys, do your homework, otherwise wrongly based critiscism just lowers your own creditibilty.

Gwandau

     The powers that be have taken control over the entire electro-magnetic wave spectrum.  To believe that they will not control anything that outputs gamma is being naive.  The transmutation process is a neuclear manipulation.   Again we have these people who want to control anything to do with neuclear manipulation.  These people are real and very motivated.  The ecat doesn't heat the water by majic.  When a proton is fused into a neucleus the mass of the proton is less than when the proton was unbound.  This difference in mass is RADIATED.  This is a simple mass to energy conversion.  The radiation is then absorbed by something that is heated by rf current voltage drop which depends upon the resistance of the object to be heated.  So in this particular transmutation the process is a mass to energy conversion.  The unbound proton is more massive than the bound proton.  The difference is radiated.  My point is that this is a neuclear manipulation resulting in power which pretty much classifies it as a neuclear power device.  I would hope that Rossi if he has something is trying to sell it to persons not residing in the US.  The land of the free and the brave has become the land of the slaves and cowards I'm afraid.  I just don't see any local public health officials allowing bottles of hydrogen sitting around in my apartment hooked up to some weird water heater.