Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells

[jbignes5]

N ick Both if not all the guys doing work here are using crystals. It doesn't matter if it is a salt or not. Salts are easier to rearrange and are not hard locked into matter like say silica's and carbon. But I do listen nick. Here is the wiki stuff about carbon: "Carbon is the 15th most abundant element in the Earth's crust, and the fourth most abundant element in the universe by mass after hydrogen, helium, and oxygen. It is present in all known life forms, and in the human body carbon is the second most abundant element by mass (about 18.5%) after oxygen.[14] ****This abundance, together with the unique diversity of organic compounds and their unusual **polymer-forming ability at the temperatures commonly encountered on Earth**, make this element the chemical basis of all known life."

The salts are to get my feet wet and to see if the output is limited by the material we use to form the network in these batteries.

I know about Lasersabers work and have been following his progress as he goes along. He was the original experimenter to further our understanding of this process.

I too believe carbon is a key in the ultimate battery. As I go along I will be trying many of these formula's including yours. Also what do you get when you super compress the carbon? A crystal forms? Hmmm.. I's always been about crystals really.

Case in point they now suspect that they found an actual planet sized diamond that was inside of a star. Wow who would have seen that coming? *points to himself* That Diamond was the valve to open a flow of energy that we could not even understand. Imagine whats inside our sun? Although the diamond they found in the old star was the size of Jupiter it goes to show us that there is matter stuck in a hole so to speak. Reference: http://newyork.ibtimes.com/articles/204033/20110825/pulsar-diamond-planet-white-dwarf.htm .

Imagine this. There are super huge black holes in the center of our galaxy. These Black holes chew up matter and funnel the energy away beyond our ability to detect it's speed. This energy forms conduits of this energy that spin and twist. I think these conduits go from center to outer of our galactic disk. Now these conduits attract matter to them and they are not perfect conduits. They break open and spew out huge balls of energy. One such ball is our sun. Matter is also attracted to this outlet and gets accelerated twords the opening. Now think about the other matter piling on this first mater that stuck to it. It gets tremendous energy and huge amounts of pressure as the matter keeps piling on. This forms a crystal. This crystal is pyramidal in shape and is actually acting like a spray nozzle.

To be continued.

[NickZ]

   Ib:
   I think that you are misinterpreting what I've said.  I have heard you mention your views before, and am not contradicting them, as your seam to think. Nor am I saying that your type of glue cells are running on water, because it is trapped inside the cell. So, please chill out, or not,  it's up to you. But I am on your side, so no need to argue...
  What I am saying is that although most other cells may be galvanic in nature, and even air can act as an electrolyte, it is your original use of the glue, which makes a difference compared to the Hutchinson mix. As well as the salt substitute Epsom combination. But that its the glue that protects the metals, from the moisture, and not the salts. Nor are salts absolutely needed as an electrolyte, as I've gotten by without them, and still able to light an led on one cell alone, with no oscillator needed.
  Although you may think that you've dried the glue cell because it is rock hard, there is still some water in it, not that that is what is making the cell function.
  The point is to make a cell that will last a long time, and is not galvanic,  so that it does not consume itself. Which you may have done, and I have also. As I don't use any water or any salts at all, and still get an output. So, what I'm saying is that it does not have to take water or even salts to create the output, but it does take ambient energies and two different metals, or carbon.  Without those things there is no output, regardless of liquids, moisture, salts or anything else, as that is the true cause of why the cells work in a non galvanic way. 

[jbignes5]

I would like for you to prove to me how water is trapped in my cells.

The very reason why my the glue cell work is not due to the glue or the water that's in the glue. You can make my cells without the glue. The biggest reason why my glue cell works is due to Salt substitute and Epsom salt together mixing as one crystal, you can't just use one of the salts you need both or it will produce very weak and useless cells.

I've done countless testing on the glue cells. Do you how I know that my cells don't have water? One way I've found out is that if you have 5 grams of glue and let it dry it drops to 2 grams, which means that 3 grams of Elmer's glue is water. I use that ratio when making a cells, this is how I know a cell is dry. Also if you have ever made the actual crystal glue cell you would notice that it will reject all the water that's in it when you mix the salt substitute and Epsom salt. Its not the salts that cause oxidation its the water. To say that water is trapped in my cell is flawed because if water was still trapped in the glue then there would be no need for the salts or better yet since Epsom salt has 7 water molecules i could just use Epsom salt and Elmer's glue but it doesn't work that way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb-CiuuSP8Y

What makes the Crystal glue cell so special is that no water is needed for it to run. Water is the reason why cells die and that is because water is the universal solvent ( can destroy anything). Avoid water and you get a cell that last for a long time. This is what makes Bedini's cells flawed, he needs water to make them run. There is no semi-conductor action in Bedini's carbonate crystal cells, its a very fancy galvanic battery. In-fact bedini carbonate crystal cells cells have been done before http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrQAT9z0ASI

John Hutchinson is either a fake or not telling us something. Marcus Reid won't tell us nothing so who knows? This whole semi-conductor thing has gotten a little out of hand, What powers most everyone's cells is a galvanic reaction due to the water. If you cells still works after its been dried for a week, been spray painted fully and still has its original voltage after a month then you have a real crystal cells and not a galvanic battery.

I can't say that I agree more with you IB. John H, John B and Marcus Reid are following their own path and likewise have their own agendas as well. We, of course, are not sheep. So lets try to keep this on track ok?

I too believe all of them are relying on water to perform their magic and some of it is great magic, don't get me wrong. Just because water is involved does not make it a bad thing. When you protect the electrodes with oxides the energy is allowed to pass without contact of the water to the metal. So that is a viable avenue to be exploring.

But my direction has always been crystals. Even when I was a kid I had made myself a wand out of a copper tube and double ended crystal I bought from a store. It didn't do magic but it sure felt funny in my hand without it's leather covering and now I am starting to understand why.

I will be doing all the experiments you guys have been doing. Nick it's just that IB's stuff is easier to get atm, so it's first on the table. Also I think what you are doing is great. It shows that the concept is solid enough to work without water in the process. But I am starting to think water has a lot to do with this even when you think it is not. Water is in just about everything or it is in the process of making the crystals we are using. Yes even quartz to a certain extent has water to evolve it to what it is today. Even the carbon you are using was in the process that created the carbon you are using so water is related even in an indirect way.

Crystals themselves have big time water in them. If not then some other fluid which usually changes the color of the crystal. Crystals act visually the same way as water. crystals tend to have ultimate resolution because they are constructed in a pressurized way. Even when made in water the pressure of the water tank works in the same way as compacting via another way like carbon in a special vice. So water in some way is always involved in the process at one time or another.

This is not related to water maybe but have a gander at a gold nano particle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Twin2.jpg

I don't believe it is very important as to what the material is besides a strength component. But from this view gold still has spaces in it. And this is where I think the water component comes in. I say water component because there is something in water that everything uses to form it's structure, it's just easier to say water atm but I think it is a sub component of water that is responsible for everything having spaces in it. You could say it is what we float in. Even space itself has this sub component in it just in a lower density then what is around our planet. It seems matter has a counter part. Not anti matter per say but a complimentary component that lets matter have force through distance! This counter component seems to be a transmitter of matters trapped energy. We can not measure this stuff because it defies our probes for information. It moves before we can react hence why it doesn't seem to be there but it is there. We know it is there because of the effects we observe. Static Induction and electric fields are it's proof.

More on Carbon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYkyUqUa6vU&feature=related

But it seems crystals and the lattice they provide might be capable of doing more then carbon since when the carbon is squished it turns non conductive. Carbon might be a no win situation.

Reviewing the crystal structure might help you understand why I think the crystal structure might be a better avenue.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm-i1c7zr6Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4Du4zI4GJ0&feature=related

The first video is part one and deals with the structure of crystals and the network it provides. The second one deals with certain types of matter related to the crystal structure.

[NickZ]

  What I have been trying to relay is that it is not the water, crystals, glue, saltz, or metals that are the source of the energy.  And that there is more to these cells than a galvanic reaction based on liquids, and the dissolution of metal. That is the only reason that I mention it. I am certainly not trying to get anybody to make my type of cells, nor is that my aim. It is only in pointing out the cause of the power, which has to do with what is external to all cells and materials.  So, it does not depend on them to make an led light.  I will give more proof of this in the future. But for now just keep in mind that like B_rads has shown, even just carbon/carbon cells can produce an output, even with no metals, and no water.
  The reason that I bring up the semiconductor cell idea, is because it is working on a different type of reaction entirely. And I feel that that can be of great benefit, in obtaining a much higher output, than what has been done even up to now, by John B, Hutchinson, Reid, etz... We are really in the infancy of this type of cell. Again not that I'm trying to guide anyone in that direction, it is only my opinion, as seeing that the rest of the electronics industry has already utilized the semiconductor in an amazing way.  So, no need to argue the point, as I am only making an opinion based on my reasonings, and on what I seen and done. As I've worked in the electronics business for almost 20 years, and not just making these different types of cells.
   

[ibpointless2]

I don't think that any type of real semi-conductor action is happening with anyone's cells. Its true the oxide layer makes a semi-conductor but in the presence of water it is a water battery. The oxide layer doesn't stop the corrosion it only slows it down. If oxide layer did stop corrosion than aluminum would never corrode due to aluminum having a layer of oxide on it when its exposed to air.

The best way to make a cell last for a long time is to avoid water. Water will corrode anything no matter if it has a oxide layer on it. I only say this from all the testing i've done, if your cell needs water to run than it will more than likely corrode and die. But it is true that you can't fully get away from the water due to the crystals having water in the lattice but the biggest thing is if you cell needs constant water to run than its a water battery. I'm not saying who's wrong or right, just stating what my experimentation has shown me.
We all are making great progress and must keep pushing forward.