Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells

[NickZ]

   @ All:
   Conductive grease is something that I picked up from a friend that works with the Electric Power Co. here. They use is to protect the exposed copper and aluminum metal connectors as well as to help the contact points to conduct better.
There is also Marine Dielectic Grease, but just make sure that it conducts instead of being a non-conductor. I do recommend using this type of  grease, as it helped my old capacitor cell that was made in March to regain its original 50 mA output.

Brad: BTW the carbon crystal cells may not last a lifetime, but you won't need to hold them as long. Very informative and useful video you made.      We need to get past the idea and use of galvanics in order to get to where we say that we want to go.  Your video helps to prove the point.

  I think that the combination of using our cells in conjunction with circuits like this one from the "Doc", may be the way to go. He is one amazing guy, although a little hard to get to know, and very strict with some people, to deal with.
   Check this out, the Doc's Infinity Light, one weeks running with only a fraction of a volt consumed. I hope that I got the it right, or he'll correct me... again...
http://www.youtube.com/user/StifflerDr#p/u/32/UGbUORfqRsc

  Lasersaber's newest project, another great example:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glRuwV9IlaY&NR=1
 
   Ib:  I would highly recommend using Lasersabers circuit as he is lighting 200 watts of leds, using only 13v and 200 mA. Just use a regular toroid instead, or the ones from crt Tv yokes.  I have made it using only 4 volts and it works great. I'll upload a pic or two soon...
   

[ibpointless2]

My big Blue Crystal Glue cell has gone up in voltage here lately and it just so happens that the moon is 100% full right now.

[jbignes5]

   @ All:
   Conductive grease is something that I picked up from a friend that works with the Electric Power Co. here. They use is to protect the exposed copper and aluminum metal connectors as well as to help the contact points to conduct better.
There is also Marine Dielectic Grease, but just make sure that it conducts instead of being a non-conductor. I do recommend using this type of  grease, as it helped my old capacitor cell that was made in March to regain its original 50 mA output.

Brad: BTW the carbon crystal cells may not last a lifetime, but you won't need to hold them as long. Very informative and useful video you made.      We need to get past the idea and use of galvanics in order to get to where we say that we want to go.  Your video helps to prove the point.

  I think that the combination of using our cells in conjunction with circuits like this one from the "Doc", may be the way to go. He is one amazing guy, although a little hard to get to know, and very strict with some people, to deal with.
   Check this out, the Doc's Infinity Light, one weeks running with only a fraction of a volt consumed. I hope that I got the it right, or he'll correct me... again...
http://www.youtube.com/user/StifflerDr#p/u/32/UGbUORfqRsc

  Lasersaber's newest project, another great example:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glRuwV9IlaY&NR=1
 
   Ib:  I would highly recommend using Lasersabers circuit as he is lighting 200 watts of leds, using only 13v and 200 mA. Just use a regular toroid instead, or the ones from crt Tv yokes.  I have made it using only 4 volts and it works great. I'll upload a pic or two soon...

Nick have you tried any aluminum cup or just the cap cases. If it is the case then they used borax as the electrolyte and it created a nice thick oxide layer on the inside of the can. This layer is what the captret was all about. Even with the method we are using it works the exact same way. It only allows a charge to go in the caps shape one way. Then you are separating the charge into it's base components. The static portion is clinging to the crystalline layers. The current flows into the carbon and past the electrode out of the tube. Think of the can as a filter(matter pattern) that attracts flow with geometry. When working with atomic geometry these devices have a high ordering inside of them. Also think about what a wave guide is also.

I have been thinking about making the open end constricted to see if it improves the voltage as well. Like in my fire hose analogy. Have you made them with differing layer of thicknesses? Like 6 in one and 12 in another?

I also agree that other technologies will fit very well especially lasersabers and Doc's ideas. We need to change our methods of using energy to the most efficient.

You know this reminds me of a layden jar with one way valves.

@IB hey could you do a how to video of the blue cells please. A step by step video of you making the cell would be awesome. I don't think I'm building them right. Also if you anodize the aluminum it will induce voltage better. Just soak it in borax and water.

[NickZ]

  We have all seen that the Magnesium works much better than Aluminum, but I can't get that here, up to now. Brads last video is most convincing.
So, since I had several capacitor cans from the Captret project, I used them for this project instead. As I had no luck with the Captrets after months of playing with that idea. As the batteries all still discharged sooner or later. There is no oxide layer there, either, at least not in my devices.
I have also tried aluminum tube, as well as galvanized iron pipe.  I have not tried anodized aluminum, which I can obtain from window framing shops. but, don't assume it works until you try it, as galvanized pipe is also a layer, but it does not work as well as aluminum or mg, although it does work to a lesser degree.
The thicker the metal anodes the better they are able to STORE the charge.  Mass is important in my set up. You can make small cells and will  get some voltage,  but like Ib has found with his two wire cells, no current.
I don't think that these cell are charging and discharging with use. So, that Idea is not very valid in this case, as they are a perpertual output source, that tends to lose some output abilities in time, due to the oxidation factor, and hydrogen ion build up on the anodes, as I've explained many times now.

  With my set up you don't need the semiconductor system, at all. As there is no need to protect the metals from oxidation as a result of galvanics. Or play the pinball game that JB is mentioning. As Brad is also trying to show, in his own unique way. I don't buy it yet, as I can get power without the doping or chemicals, or semicoductor, as Ib has also shown. etz...  If they were getting AMPS and not mA I would tend to believe it, to a different degree.  You can get amps by using salts, and sealing the cells from the air, hermetically, and not using additional water. Lasersaber's cells outputs 2 amps from each cell. No semiconductor at work there, or needed to produce that much power, which no one has been able to replicate to that degree of output, yet.
  Marcus Reid cells were producing only a couple of mA.  So... does not convince me.  They are not telling all, either.  They are showing what they don't care about anymore, as they John, Reid, and Hutchinson, are working on better and stronger cells, and giving us the leftovers.  Which I'm also thankful for but...  That is only my Opinion, and could be totally wrong, although I doubt it.  As they are into the money, not like the Doc, who was offered $10,000 and turned it down, saying that he already has more money than he can spend. And it totally into the research and development aspect, and not the production, sales, and monetary gains.
  Please don't get me wrong, I am very thankful for any and all information concerning these cell, and understand that we all have to make a living at times. At least some of us. Although money is not where I'm coming from, even though I have nothing against it, but if we are really trying to better our understanding of useful devices, the monetary gains can and do hold us back, at times.

[jbignes5]

  We have all seen that the Magnesium works much better than Aluminum, but I can't get that here, up to now. Brads last video is most convincing.
So, since I had several capacitor cans from the Captret project, I used them for this project instead. As I had no luck with the Captrets after months of playing with that idea. As the batteries all still discharged sooner or later. There is no oxide layer there, either, at least not in my devices.
I have also tried aluminum tube, as well as galvanized iron pipe.  I have not tried anodized aluminum, which I can obtain from window framing shops. but, don't assume it works until you try it, as galvanized pipe is also a layer, but it does not work as well as aluminum or mg, although it does work to a lesser degree.
The thicker the metal anodes the better they are able to STORE the charge.  Mass is important in my set up. You can make small cells and will  get some voltage,  but like Ib has found with his two wire cells, no current.
I don't think that these cell are charging and discharging with use. So, that Idea is not very valid in this case, as they are a perpertual output source, that tends to lose some output abilities in time, due to the oxidation factor, and hydrogen ion build up on the anodes, as I've explained many times now.

My suggestion in making the carbon crystal batteries is that you should completely encase the crystal layers in carbon like little crystal disks and the flow of charges should flow past the crystal disks vibrating them causing a piezoelectric event. Think of a reed vibrating from air rushing by it. Get the flow right and you have resonance.

  With my set up you don't need the semiconductor system, at all. As there is no need to protect the metals from oxidation as a result of galvanics. Or play the pinball game that JB is mentioning. As Brad is also trying to show, in his own unique way. I don't buy it yet, as I can get power without the doping or chemicals, or semicoductor, as Ib has also shown. etz...  If they were getting AMPS and not mA I would tend to believe it, to a different degree.  You can get amps by using salts, and sealing the cells from the air, hermetically, and not using additional water. Lasersaber's cells outputs 2 amps from each cell. No semiconductor at work there, or needed to produce that much power, which no one has been able to replicate to that degree of output, yet.
  Marcus Reid cells were producing only a couple of mA.  So... does not convince me.  They are not telling all, either.  They are showing what they don't care about anymore, as they John, Reid, and Hutchinson, are working on better and stronger cells, and giving us the leftovers.  Which I'm also thankful for but...  That is only my Opinion, and could be totally wrong, although I doubt it.  As they are into the money, not like the Doc, who was offered $10,000 and turned it down, saying that he already has more money than he can spend. And it totally into the research and development aspect, and not the production, sales, and monetary gains.
  Please don't get me wrong, I am very thankful for any and all information concerning these cell, and understand that we all have to make a living at times. At least some of us. Although money is not where I'm coming from, even though I have nothing against it, but if we are really trying to better our understanding of useful devices, the monetary gains can and do hold us back, at times.

I have a new cell that i made in a glass bottle. THICK Aluminum wire wrapped in a coil in the glass jar then treated with borax to form the oxide layer. then epsom salt and a touch of potassium (salt substitute) with a graphite electrode. I'll throw a pict of it soo. All that was boiled till the crystals disappeared and it is now cooling. Let me take a picture of it!

Oxides are the semiconductor. Even if you think you are not using it you are if aluminum is in the mix. Since you use the cap cans they have already been oxidated and the semiconductor layer is already there. even aluminum in the air has oxidated enough to produce a 4 nanometer layer on the aluminum.

Here are the pictures. Sorry bout the size of these they are big!

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/jbignes5/100_0348.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p171/jbignes5/100_0347.jpg

I too agree that magnesium is the best bang for the buck and will be using it instead of aluminum and use a copper outer electrode that has been oxidized or the other way around. With the aluminum can it's acting like a one way valve bringing in charges from the environment and conducting through the carbon. in that flow it is also vibrating the crystal layers adding to the charge on the center electrode giving it some added umph.