Ibpointless2 Crystal Cells

[jbignes5]

I also just wated to point out that this is a reference for paramagnatism of oxygen:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcGEev8qulA&feature=related

[PhiChaser]

@ jbignes5:
I think you are exactly right about oxygen being the killer, not water. Aluminum doesn't 'rust' until you start adding acids.
A list we need to start compiling IMO:
Epsom salt has 7H2O - (MgSO4·7H2O) = SEVEN!
Alum has 12H2O - AB(SO4)2·12H2O = TWELVE!! ((potassium aluminum sulfate))
These are are exactly the kinds of crystalline water we are looking for to use in our electrolytes. Cheap too!!
My methodology would be to solulize, mix with a 'helpful' base that gets really hard, then take the 'extra' water out somehow and keep the crystalline structure (the 'base' would help the crystalline structure to stay 'aligned').
Starch seems to push water out... What exactly is starch?
My brother suggested having the anode/cathode close enough that you would/could grow the crystal directly 'on' the electrodes thereby letting the crystal 'decide' what shape it wanted to be... I think IB did a couple of those, or something similar? Form factors would be interesting. (Heh heh!) More cells maybe this weekend. Gotta get some alum still...

Cheers!
PC

[ibpointless2]

  Well... don't feel alone.
   I also got my ass in the fire, just mentioning someones name.  I have never talk down about anyone.  But, I guess we are the guys they must be talking about, the ones that don't know anything about anything. Right?
                                   

I'm sure we're the guys, and it sucks. I remember you saying oxygen might be the reason for the corrosion, but their exist two types of corrosion, one with oxygen and one without. Steel can corrode when exposed to oxygen but it can also corrode in concrete where there is no oxygen. Steel turns red when rusting in oxygen but turns green when no oxygen is around.  I don't know why he says we don't know nothing, I do the corrosion testing and so do others. I also don't see why he keeps telling use we need to use 100% magnesium, the reason why the  magnesium is alloyed is to make it less corrosive. Magnesium with zinc in it is less corrosive than pure Magnesium due to zinc being higher up on the galvanic charts so its less reactive.


Keep up the good Work NickZ!

[ibpointless2]

Wow,
Bedini wants to have 200 US$ for his crystall battery kit ?

What do you get for this ?
Just the magnesium block and the copper plate and the electrolyte ?
or are they selling also the Joule Thief circuit and LED with it ?

Too bad to hear, that you got booted there from EForum.

Well then stay here !

I will soon join in again in the battery research.

Will be testing the AZ31X magnesium alloy rods soon.
I still need to find a method to coat them with a good oxide layer...
Maybe the Pyrite coating with Waterglas that Plengo is using will help ?

The Zamax alloy , which is an alloy of Zinc Aluminium and magnesium and copper .
The name zamak is an acronym of the German names for the metals of which the alloys are composed: Zink (zinc), Aluminium, Magnesium and Kupfer (copper).

See:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Zamak/112613222086205

It is the same as Durafix, ( alloy rods for repairing aluminium cases via soldering)
It is very nice, cause you can make and coat it with  a very hard black layer via electrolysis.

If you use this alloy in an electrolysis bath and use small percentage vinegar as the electrolyte
and put the Zamak ( Durafix rod) as the Plus pole, (When I remember correctly the polarity)
you get the black coating pretty fast on this rod, which is very hard and prtoects the rod from
fast decomposing.

Then use these rods as one electrode in your crystal battery.
The other electrode can be graphite or lampblack with a pencil lead.
You can add also snad or zeolite and use water or water with K2CO3 as the electrolyite.

I have not yet tested Epsom salt ( in Germany it is called: Bittersalz. you can get it here cheaply
in every Pharmacy fand 100 Gramms costs just only 1.50 Euroi)
and Alum yet, but I have recently bought these salts and
will soon begin to experiment again with this...

Btw, magnesium can be easily got by using using metallic pencil sharpeners
cause these are made from magnesium metall.

I hope this helps-

Search here for the aqua cells from Walt Hoffmann. He was the one who started
all this research with the Durafix rods. There are old threads here in the forum from
a few years ago...

Regards, Stefan.

Yes he's charging $200 US dollars for a cell that gives no more power than a AA battery but needs constant water to keep it going. [size=78%]http://www.teslachargers.com/crystalwaterbattery.html[/size]


I don't know how i feel about iron pyrite yet. When exposed to water and oxygen it makes sulphuric acid.


I'm very interested in using other metals. I think we should try other metals out  (safe metals) and see how they react. I also wonder about using aluminum in its powder form, I know metals in their powder form can be a problem but it makes me wonder. Maybe break down aluminum into its powder form and then suspend it in glue to make it a solid powder form? Or we could find something that coats the metal?


@all
The reason why Bedini says his cells consume water is that on one electrode oxygen is made but on the other hydrogen is made. All batteries do this. The battery is making electricity so thus that electricity is going to do some electrolysis too. The electrolysis is so small though and most of the water gets evaporated, only about 2% of the water is consumed due to electrolysis and the rest is evaporated. Lead acid batteries do this all the time and that's why they need water added to them after a long period of use.


I often thought we should re-visit the concrete cells. Concrete is a porous solid that doesn't have oxygen trapped inside of it. The electrodes in concrete are trapped inside of the concrete so its much harder for them to break-apart and decompose as easy. Just add water to the concrete when you need to use it, it will absorb it and the concrete will lower its resistance. The only thing that will show corrosion in a concrete cell will be the electrodes where its coming of out of the concrete. The top of the concrete with the electrodes sticking out can have paint or liquid plastic or even wax placed on top of them to keep the electrodes from corroding. Put a hole in the bottom of the concrete cup so that it can absorb water, it take in water by use of the capillary action which is water's crystal forum growing. This is just an idea.


What also might be a good thing to use is just plain old ore's. Ore's have been exposed to the elements so they're protected.

[ibpointless2]

@ jbignes5:
I think you are exactly right about oxygen being the killer, not water. Aluminum doesn't 'rust' until you start adding acids.
A list we need to start compiling IMO:
Epsom salt has 7H2O - (MgSO4·7H2O) = SEVEN!
Alum has 12H2O - AB(SO4)2·12H2O = TWELVE!! ((potassium aluminum sulfate))
These are are exactly the kinds of crystalline water we are looking for to use in our electrolytes. Cheap too!!
My methodology would be to solulize, mix with a 'helpful' base that gets really hard, then take the 'extra' water out somehow and keep the crystalline structure (the 'base' would help the crystalline structure to stay 'aligned').
Starch seems to push water out... What exactly is starch?
My brother suggested having the anode/cathode close enough that you would/could grow the crystal directly 'on' the electrodes thereby letting the crystal 'decide' what shape it wanted to be... I think IB did a couple of those, or something similar? Form factors would be interesting. (Heh heh!) More cells maybe this weekend. Gotta get some alum still...

Cheers!
PC

Here's a video you might be talking about [size=78%]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVqCVP1HR0g[/size]