MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH BY PHILLIPS - HIGHLY EFFICIENT HYDROGEN PRODUCTION!

[mscoffman]

One really needs to think the process being advertised through
carefully because something can be a good deal for somebody
but may not be what we are looking for. At least these guys
describe what is being occuring fully. Very often an article
describes a new chemical catalyst then promptly doesn't give
the chemical equations so you can figure whether it is a good
deal for you to use or not.

What *we* want is catalyst that can split hydrogen from water
at any rate fast or slow but without having any waste products
and returns the catalyst at room temperatures. No waste products
probably implies that both hydrogen and oxygen gas both come out
of solution as gases. Generally a catalyst will wear-out or become
contaminated and needs to be replaced. So it would require a number
of cycles to be analysed this number might be changed if we commit
to filtering inputs or boosting the purity of the reactants.

The process they are advertizing runs fast, but you need to
be ready to reprocess the aluminum hydroxide back into aluminum
metal in your equipment to get back to starting point. What you
save is having to store bulk hydrogen as a gas or having to
sequester it into a bulk metal matrix. But what it cost you is having
to carry one aluminum atom per n x hydrogen atoms around...
not something you want to do in a vehicle, but maybe OK in fixed
equipment applications.

Most likely an additional H needs to added to the AlOH + energy to give
Al + H2O so that is where the hydrogen gas comes into play. Another thing
that you could do is if you have a process that needs AlOH as a feedstock -
is you will already have it. So it depends on whether to you AlOH is feedstock
vs whether it is a waste product.

What they give you is ability to not have the hydrogen creation step
be rate limited by the catalyst which means you can design both halves
of process this to have the same variable size.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[neptune]

The only process i can think of that uses aluminium as a feedstock, is the production of aluminium itself , and that requires a large input of energy, 12 to 15 Kw hours per Kilogram. The advantage of aluminium as a fuel, or as a way of storing energy, is that you can thus run your car on Hydro power, or any other electrical source. Another way to do the same thing is to use an aluminium-air battery, but this new way may be cheaper, and/or greener.

[tinu]

Whilst this technology is new and exciting, there is a downside to it that nobody seems to have spotted....

Don't bet on it.
I'm glad you've nail it down. I was too tired of 'bad posts' at that time and also a bit curious to let it flow and see who's going to point at it.
And yes, now we have an answer to my curiosity. See... how emotionally this free energy stuff gets?!!! Nonetheless, I'd still like, despite being a man, thinking with my upper head.
Hopefully nobody put real money into this low-level scam. It's bare Al+NaOH reaction all along but fancy presented. Nothing more. Aaaa... my bad, there is something more: an unnecessary catalyst.

Best regards,
Tinu

[ydeardorff]

Don't bet on it.
I'm glad you've nail it down. I was too tired of 'bad posts' at that time and also a bit curious to let it flow and see who's going to point at it.
And yes, now we have an answer to my curiosity. See... how emotionally this free energy stuff gets?!!! Nonetheless, I'd still like, despite being a man, thinking with my upper head.
Hopefully nobody put real money into this low-level scam. It's bare Al+NaOH reaction all along but fancy presented. Nothing more. Aaaa... my bad, there is something more: an unnecessary catalyst.

Best regards,
Tinu

I think you both nailed it!

I wonder if there is any fruit though in adding non alkali, or acidic catalysts to the water. So at least some of this idea might spring new trains of thought.

[Gwandau]

Don't bet on it.
I'm glad you've nail it down. I was too tired of 'bad posts' at that time and also a bit curious to let it flow and see who's going to point at it.
And yes, now we have an answer to my curiosity. See... how emotionally this free energy stuff gets?!!! Nonetheless, I'd still like, despite being a man, thinking with my upper head.
Hopefully nobody put real money into this low-level scam. It's bare Al+NaOH reaction all along but fancy presented. Nothing more. Aaaa... my bad, there is something more: an unnecessary catalyst.

Best regards,
Tinu

Al+NaOH reaction ??      tinu, you are really barking up the wrong tree.

Where on earth did you get the NaOH from.  It's nothing but distilled water, aluminum and catalytic coal heated.

Are you a troll, or just having not read the Phillips papers?

For the sake of a fair evaluation, whe have to give these guys a chance before screaming scam.
So many new inventions are mushrooming these days that it is just as easy to succumb to scepticism as to unfounded optimism.

But if we have no hard core proof in any direction, we have to stay with : Is that so?

2012 is a very special year, a paradigm changer in human consciousness, and many strange things have started surfacing,
not only on the scientific arena, but as well politically, economically and socially. 

It's a race between the white and the golden horse, as the Hopi describes it.

Which side are you on?

Gwandau