Magnetic Engine

[Low-Q]

@gauschor,

All the above problems can be overcome by correctly timing,  machining of various parts, selecting correct thickness and weight of  the shield,  strength of magnets etc.

I conducted the above experiment by suspending the piston magnet like pendulam and allowed it to fall towards stationary magnet by gravity.   I  could move the shield without encountering  any of the problems you have stated above.   I  couldnot build a genuine model because I don't have proper machining / fabrication facilities.


Regards,

Vineet.K.

If you change the timing, you will also change the kinetic energy at that timing also. That change will have inpact on the rest of the system that will counteract the benefit of correct timing - so the machine will not work anyways.


Br.


Vidar

[vineet_kiran]

Nuclear power stations is using the potential energy inside an unstable isotop. The energy will reduce the isotops mass, but remember that 1gram of mass is enough to power 1500 average housholds for one year (given that there is no loss). Litterally a grape that is converted to pure energy will power your house for 1500 years. Nuclear reactions is different from magnetism.

Same thing is applicable to field also.   De-magnetisation only means dis-alignment of molecular magnets and not loss of magnetism.   Magnetism still exists in a demagnetised magnet  but magnetism of individual molecular magnets cancel off  one another due to dis-alignment.    When field is completely  converted into energy it should produce same effect as complete conversion of mass into energy because mass and field are real and equivalent.
Whether mass has jumped out of field or matter produces field is not known.  It is same as chicken & egg  case.

[Low-Q]

Same thing is applicable to field also.   De-magnetisation only means dis-alignment of molecular magnets and not loss of magnetism.   Magnetism still exists in a demagnetised magnet  but magnetism of individual molecular magnets cancel off  one another due to dis-alignment.    When field is completely  converted into energy it should produce same effect as complete conversion of mass into energy because mass and field are real and equivalent.
Whether mass has jumped out of field or matter produces field is not known.  It is same as chicken & egg  case.

No need to discuss this further I think. Permanent magnets cannot do more work than the energy applied to them when magnetized.



Vidar

[sm0ky2]

... Magnetism is a force, but nuclear reactions produce energy. Distinguish energy from force. Energy is a product that can do work. Force is not a product. Force alone cannot do work.

While the force of magnetism is often used to described the phenomena, as is force used to describe gravity.. This is not its only aspect.
This force exists along a gradient with the square of the distance from the magnetic source. This creates a well of potential energy.
Similar to the energy equation for gravitational potential (mgh), from a given "height" from the magnet, you have an amount of potential energy that exists.
Whether you are discussing attraction, or repulsion, at any given distance from a magnet, there exists a definable amount of potential energy, that can be used to perform "work". This is described in terms of Force, (N), in solitude. However, when this force is applied to a mass (m), the equation N * m = J(derived) = joules of energy. Of course, there are magnetic equations that describe the actual value of J, as a function of Gauss or Teslas, between the magnet and the object in it's field.

Force, alone, is not what a magnetic field "is". It's a potential well. Full of energy. This energy exists in a loop, which is why we have trouble accessing it. Action, and reaction, will add/take away the opposite to any affect we cause to the magnetic field, under most circumstances.
This is not always the case, but can be generalized as a rule of thumb. "What goes up, must come down...."

if you place an object in a magnetic field, there exists a potential energy, from that point in the field to, either:
the magnet (attraction)   OR  a point far enough away that the field is diminished beyond effect (repulsion).

So, if you want to know how much "work" can be performed by a magnet, at a given distance from it::
you simply multiply the values for the magnetic moment and the field.
Each of these has their own equation to handle the discrete values, so it may not be as "simple" as it sounds,
but it is a value of energy, not merely a force as one would assume.

[lumen]

Through extensive shield testing there is an interesting effect I have seen that could warrant further testing.
Consider the pictures below.

In Frame
#1:  The shield will pull itself over the magnet and can be extended further past the magnet with little force.
#2: The magnets can move together with little force.
#3 The magnets and shields will stay in contact with the gap in magnets.
#4 Magnets can now be moved tight together with little force.
#5 *** Once the magnets are moved tight together, the shield will move itself apart when released.
#6 Magnets will repel each other away if shield is held in position to magnet.

Using what seems to be a self sustaining cycle from #1 to #5, is it possible to build a magnet motor?
This is the only process I know that may yield an energy gain using shields due to the fact that the shields will both pull themselves onto the magnets and move themselves off the magnets in a cycle.